Awesome will do. At first I read Vamp which is another great one if you like 80s cheese. I'd never heard of Vamps til now.
It was new to me also, seems like it popped up on some cable/satellite channel, out of nothing. Maybe because Krysten Ritter was having a bit of a run of "stardom" for a while.
Another that surprised me was "Scorched," basically the same thing: never heard of it before, popped up out of nowhere, found myself really enjoying it. Doesn't hurt to have John Cleese in ANY movie! Plus Alicia Silverstone again, and Rachel Leigh Cook, Woody Harrelson...
This seems to be pretty much the whole movie, except maybe for the complete end credits:
The "fire" line might be one of the best pick-up lines ever.
Another surprise for me was "Relative Strangers," with Danny Devito and the lovely Neve Campbell. Couldn't find the complete movie, but here's a "trailer" to get you interested:
No. Alien is far superior in every way. Aliens has annoying characters, awful dialogue, plot contrivances, no real sense of dread, and it weakened the xenomorphs.
Alien is far more enjoyable and superior filmmaking. Always thought this was one of the most overrated films of all time.
I also felt like the Xenomorphs seemed weaker in Aliens. Maybe not literally but in terms of drama. The first movie had 1 badass xenomorph, and it took the entire 2hr movie to deal with that 1. In the sequel there are armies of xenomorphs which are easily wasted by the good guys' high powered weapons. The xenos' strength is in numbers rather than difficulty to kill.
In terms of drama, movies are so much more terrifying when there's just 1 antagonist. Like in Halloween, Friday the 13th, Exorcist, etc we are terrified because there's just 1 all-powerful bad guy who seems indestructible no matter what the good guys try. But once you start doing legions of anonymous bad guys, like in the Resident Evil zombie apocalypse type stuff, they're not as terrifying on an individual basis. Xenomorph #126 doesn't seem nearly as powerful as the original 1 and only.
Exactly. Haven't seen it for a long time but I just remember them walking into gunfire much of the time, whereas the xenomorph in the original seemed to be really intelligent and calculating.
In the first movie, they had no guns. And they were also far more confined in space. Alien motivations in the first movie were pretty different as well, since without a Queen all it could really do was kill them. There was no need to try and capture any of them, to be "converted." (Which would also explain with the one "deleted scene" was deleted. It didn't work, in that context.)
Ultimately the Aliens were a doomed species, although that wasn't really clear until the second movie, because they couldn't reproduce on their own.
In the first movie, they had no guns. And they were also far more confined in space. Alien motivations in the first movie were pretty different as well, since without a Queen all it could really do was kill them. There was no need to try and capture any of them, to be "converted." (Which would also explain with the one "deleted scene" was deleted. It didn't work, in that context.)
Ultimately the Aliens were a doomed species, although that wasn't really clear until the second movie, because they couldn't reproduce on their own.
Wrong. They had guns. You can see their pistols holstered while they're wearing their space suits. Probably had more guns on board too. They chose not to shoot the alien and instead use a flame thrower and a cattle prod because it's obvious what would happen if they started blasting holes into it. We saw what just a tiny cut did to the face hugger. Acid was pouring out and burned through several floors. There's shots in Aliens where the marines are clearly firing at point blank range at them but yet they don't get burned. James Cameron wasn't consistent with his portrayal of it unlike Ridley Scott.
Out of all these answers I've seen in this thread. Having the aftermath of Ridleys attempts of the origin and Aliens as a sequel beeing really questioned as well, i really do start figurin if anyone really wanted a sequel or prequel at all. That it was just perfect as it was. I am what i think is more mainstream in my catch of it all, Alien is as just golden, cant complain so much about aliens as it was "war in space", but the rest of the sequels were just shit. Except for the new Romulus which took on to to the original story in a way that explored weyland corp. I know, I do hate the third act too, it was really too much of it all. They had to bring in alien 4 somewhere. But in all, how can you hate aliens? It was a real bad ass story just perfect to continue it all, agree with some holes in it, but man, Cameron did what he had to do. Otherwise, in THIS thread, i can only quote Ripley in aliens "look, i know what this is going".
Aliens is the best as it blends sci fi, horror, action, and drama perfectly. Plus, the characters and story is vastly more engaging while the first one is more groundbreaking. Both are perfect, however. It’s post-Aliens that things fall from perfect to good or okay (kinda like the Terminator franchise with T2). I, for one, appreciated Prometheus tried new things with the lore. Wasn’t perfect, but it was very entertaining.
Aliens is the best as it blends sci fi, horror, action, and drama perfectly. Plus, the characters and story is vastly more engaging while the first one is more groundbreaking. Both are perfect, however. It’s post-Aliens that things fall from perfect to good or okay (kinda like the Terminator franchise with T2). I, for one, appreciated Prometheus tried new things with the lore. Wasn’t perfect, but it was very entertaining.
I agree here, that for the big audience, aliens is perfect. It has it all. For those being really in to the, well lets call it series, alien is probably preferred. Introduclng the world of alien horror with an opening like it gives with a ship where we not need to understand all tech behind is extremely well done. It's believable even today. You get computers that sound a lot, you even have CRT screens, but it doesn't really matter. The surroundings are way kepts within "surrender of disbelief". What i don't understand is why Ridley took such a strange journey after that. He could have explained origins of aliens with far better idas. What we want is to understand the derelict on lv426. He goes bananas and try to explain origins of humans.
You think that was Ridley's idea? I thought he directed the movie, not wrote it.
Right. Who wrote it? I know easy to check. But guess you agree director is really in power of how the movie is done. He must sign on to it.
Ridley must have regognised the difference in Dan O'Bannons way of a story. It does matter that Ridley went that way. It would t have happens otherwise.
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Reply by rooprect
on August 31, 2024 at 9:26 PM
Thanks man! I can't understate how important I think Alien was to scifi and cinema in general.
Awesome will do. At first I read Vamp which is another great one if you like 80s cheese. I'd never heard of Vamps til now.
Reply by Knixon
on September 1, 2024 at 4:42 AM
It was new to me also, seems like it popped up on some cable/satellite channel, out of nothing. Maybe because Krysten Ritter was having a bit of a run of "stardom" for a while.
Another that surprised me was "Scorched," basically the same thing: never heard of it before, popped up out of nowhere, found myself really enjoying it. Doesn't hurt to have John Cleese in ANY movie! Plus Alicia Silverstone again, and Rachel Leigh Cook, Woody Harrelson...
This seems to be pretty much the whole movie, except maybe for the complete end credits:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3N_Eb0Kc5XE
The "fire" line might be one of the best pick-up lines ever.
Another surprise for me was "Relative Strangers," with Danny Devito and the lovely Neve Campbell. Couldn't find the complete movie, but here's a "trailer" to get you interested:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqj4WAKJnf8
Reply by Knixon
on September 1, 2024 at 4:46 AM
And on the more serious side, try the two Postal Inspectors movies, staring Louis Gossett Jr. Both "Free, with ads" on YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hW0bV1McNo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iq4UmxIBK8
Reply by loiner
on October 15, 2024 at 7:49 PM
No. Alien is far superior in every way. Aliens has annoying characters, awful dialogue, plot contrivances, no real sense of dread, and it weakened the xenomorphs.
Alien is far more enjoyable and superior filmmaking. Always thought this was one of the most overrated films of all time.
Reply by Knixon
on October 16, 2024 at 12:24 AM
How do you figure it weakened them? They only really dealt with the "acid blood" once in the first movie. Multiple times in the second.
Reply by rooprect
on October 16, 2024 at 11:07 PM
I also felt like the Xenomorphs seemed weaker in Aliens. Maybe not literally but in terms of drama. The first movie had 1 badass xenomorph, and it took the entire 2hr movie to deal with that 1. In the sequel there are armies of xenomorphs which are easily wasted by the good guys' high powered weapons. The xenos' strength is in numbers rather than difficulty to kill.
In terms of drama, movies are so much more terrifying when there's just 1 antagonist. Like in Halloween, Friday the 13th, Exorcist, etc we are terrified because there's just 1 all-powerful bad guy who seems indestructible no matter what the good guys try. But once you start doing legions of anonymous bad guys, like in the Resident Evil zombie apocalypse type stuff, they're not as terrifying on an individual basis. Xenomorph #126 doesn't seem nearly as powerful as the original 1 and only.
Reply by loiner
on October 17, 2024 at 6:12 PM
Exactly. Haven't seen it for a long time but I just remember them walking into gunfire much of the time, whereas the xenomorph in the original seemed to be really intelligent and calculating.
Reply by Knixon
on October 18, 2024 at 2:09 AM
In the first movie, they had no guns. And they were also far more confined in space. Alien motivations in the first movie were pretty different as well, since without a Queen all it could really do was kill them. There was no need to try and capture any of them, to be "converted." (Which would also explain with the one "deleted scene" was deleted. It didn't work, in that context.)
Ultimately the Aliens were a doomed species, although that wasn't really clear until the second movie, because they couldn't reproduce on their own.
Reply by loiner
on October 19, 2024 at 3:20 AM
Wrong. They had guns. You can see their pistols holstered while they're wearing their space suits. Probably had more guns on board too. They chose not to shoot the alien and instead use a flame thrower and a cattle prod because it's obvious what would happen if they started blasting holes into it. We saw what just a tiny cut did to the face hugger. Acid was pouring out and burned through several floors. There's shots in Aliens where the marines are clearly firing at point blank range at them but yet they don't get burned. James Cameron wasn't consistent with his portrayal of it unlike Ridley Scott.
Reply by Lars Wadefalk
on October 19, 2024 at 7:00 AM
Out of all these answers I've seen in this thread. Having the aftermath of Ridleys attempts of the origin and Aliens as a sequel beeing really questioned as well, i really do start figurin if anyone really wanted a sequel or prequel at all. That it was just perfect as it was. I am what i think is more mainstream in my catch of it all, Alien is as just golden, cant complain so much about aliens as it was "war in space", but the rest of the sequels were just shit. Except for the new Romulus which took on to to the original story in a way that explored weyland corp. I know, I do hate the third act too, it was really too much of it all. They had to bring in alien 4 somewhere. But in all, how can you hate aliens? It was a real bad ass story just perfect to continue it all, agree with some holes in it, but man, Cameron did what he had to do. Otherwise, in THIS thread, i can only quote Ripley in aliens "look, i know what this is going".
Reply by Knixon
on October 24, 2024 at 12:24 AM
It would take some serious effort to be worse than Plan Nine, for example.
Reply by NeoOCD
on October 28, 2024 at 12:40 AM
Aliens is the best as it blends sci fi, horror, action, and drama perfectly. Plus, the characters and story is vastly more engaging while the first one is more groundbreaking. Both are perfect, however. It’s post-Aliens that things fall from perfect to good or okay (kinda like the Terminator franchise with T2). I, for one, appreciated Prometheus tried new things with the lore. Wasn’t perfect, but it was very entertaining.
Reply by Lars Wadefalk
on November 7, 2024 at 5:55 AM
I agree here, that for the big audience, aliens is perfect. It has it all. For those being really in to the, well lets call it series, alien is probably preferred. Introduclng the world of alien horror with an opening like it gives with a ship where we not need to understand all tech behind is extremely well done. It's believable even today. You get computers that sound a lot, you even have CRT screens, but it doesn't really matter. The surroundings are way kepts within "surrender of disbelief". What i don't understand is why Ridley took such a strange journey after that. He could have explained origins of aliens with far better idas. What we want is to understand the derelict on lv426. He goes bananas and try to explain origins of humans.
Reply by Knixon
on November 7, 2024 at 6:09 AM
You think that was Ridley's idea? I thought he directed the movie, not wrote it.
Reply by Lars Wadefalk
on November 7, 2024 at 6:35 AM
Right. Who wrote it? I know easy to check. But guess you agree director is really in power of how the movie is done. He must sign on to it. Ridley must have regognised the difference in Dan O'Bannons way of a story. It does matter that Ridley went that way. It would t have happens otherwise.