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Strange New World or Same Old World? Please explain.
posted by OduntolaSTAFFMOD on September 25, 2020 at 11:40 PM
So we have 4 characters whom we already know quite well: Kirk and Spock we know intimately and Pike we know will eventually end up a cripple for life....and he already knows this. Now we are supposed to examine their adventures together ( Pike, Spock and Number One) as if none of this was already known? Might have worked if Pike was not involved. Realistically, I can't see how it would be humanly possible for Pike to continue living, let alone command a star ship and make life and death decisions for those in his care. But let's say we drag poor old Pike along for these exciting adventures, Do we remember canon? Can we REALLY meet brand new aliens and discover new space phenomenon? Ones, that were NEVER mentioned again after in centuries of ST? Are we not simply multiplying the problems we noted with DSC? You know the ships? the tech? the Klingons etc etc? Finally, don't we really run into the same problem Barbara Broccolli has each time she has to cast a new James Bond? We already know what Bronson was like, now we have to get used to Craig. Only this time its worse. We don't have a whole new looking Spock or Pike or Number one, we have deliberately cast doppelgängers, so we will naturally expect them to have the same personalities (certainly in the case of Spock and Kirk). Also, James Bond never dies or becomes permanently crippled. My point is that even if Pike can summon the mental fortitude to "forget" his future OR we create some dramatic device to make him forget his future, even then, we know nothing will ever happen to ANY of them in their new SNW adventures. Not a scratch on their heads, so to speak. Canon remember? So, tell me, how convincing will any cliff hanger be in this new series. No matter how devastating the torpedo barrage we KNOW Pike, Spock and Number One will survive...untouched. Am I wrong?
This series is the wet dream of "some" fanboys who, aided by Anson Mount himself, created a stink and Kurtzman caved. The truth is SNW is the Same Old World of TOS it can not be anything else, by definition. It is NOT like a new James Bond actor because we (rather the fanboys) don't want a fresh new Kirk or Spock or Number One. They want to relive the old series. What they REALLY wanted was Kirk and TOS all over again but given a update, glossy new look, kind of like DSC's Pike was. Of course DSC's Pike was a huge improvement over TOS Pike because he was surrounded by useful foils and put in realistic situations. That Pike was a creation of the DSC writers NOT Anson Mount! it is a tragedy that ST fans want to put this character in a mental and emotional straight jacket, IN ADDITION to the very real physical one he sees in his future everyday!
So tell me how I am wrong.
Reply by Philippe LeMarchand
on October 1, 2020 at 3:47 PM
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Reply by Philippe LeMarchand
on October 2, 2020 at 4:48 AM
Time Travellers: Possibly, though IIRC Discovery was an experimental ship- which might explain the confusion.
Anti New Trekkers: They'll be whingeing about any new Trek show unless it's fan-made. Even if a new show was made meeting all their stated demands for a show, they'd complain that it was nothing but a slavish copy of "True Trek". I'm guessing none of them watch Doctor Who, where the canon changes fairly regularly, in case their heads explode.
Reply by VobIdem
on July 22, 2021 at 7:33 AM
It's almost reassuring how every slice of your anti-Star Trek rhetoric is devoid of facts, yet filled with toxicity, Mr Hellraiser
Reply by Peter Dzomlija
on November 28, 2021 at 11:30 PM
You really must be the kind of person who stubs his toe and so all "I'm cripple, so I can't run this race", huh?
Has it never occurred to you that Pike knowing his fate is perhaps a part of what makes him such a "historically" powerful commander? That instead of letting it get him down and all weepy, he uses his knowledge of his fate as a foundation to be the best he can be and to make the most of what time he has left?
YOU ARE WRONG.
Reply by VobIdem
on November 30, 2021 at 10:29 AM
Is that so?
Canon and story are not mutually exclusive things, yet for some reason, broken records masquerading as "fans" of Star Trek always claim story must come first.
Was it really that important for KlingOrcs to replace Klingons?
Was it really that important for a Fantasy mushroom drive to replace the Sci-Fi warp drive?
Was it really that important for Burnham to replace Spock's personal agency?
Was it really that important for the slanted nacelle struts to replace the USS Enterprise's straight ones?
Was it really that important for candy colored uniforms to replace the Pike Era ones?
Was it really that important for an abnormal amount of distracting lens flares to replace normal light sources?
50 years of Star Trek storytelling says otherwise.
Star Trek did absolutely fine without any of these ludicrous and mostly pretty superficial changes while maintaining canon
Reply by VobIdem
on November 30, 2021 at 6:00 PM
It's the timespan in the Star Trek universe directly prior to Captain Kirk's Era from the original Star Trek
Reply by Nexus71
on December 8, 2021 at 4:26 AM
I have a bad feeling about SNW my fear is they will use the show as a way to retcon the history of more already established characters
@VobIdem
Well most of it can somehow be the result of the "25% different "rule they now admitted to .Plus when you have Khan's granddaughter on board something tells me you already are on the path fucking things up again.Also we keep hearing this persistent rumor that Kirk is going to appear in SNW with the only reason to retcon his history in him being bi or gay so some fan weirdos can have their gay Kirk and Spock fantasy romance.If the agenda of Kurzman wasn't apparent for the defenders of STD and STP that should make it crystal clear that Kurtzman & Co don't give a fuck about Star Trek but are more interested in virtual signaling and getting brownie points from a couple of very entitled,very spoiled ,incredibly privileged white teenagers on Twitter who are not watching their shows or buying the merchandise anyway(not like there is any).
And no I don't want an exact copy of TOS or TNG I want new stories and characters which are a continuation of the already established lore have logical connections and reminders of previous shows when a story calls for it not just for memberberries. The producers already made it far more difficult for themselves by having these large connections with well established characters and events which for reasons more commercial than creative they decided to retcon because most of writers don't know shit about Trek canon that they did so in a the most cringeworthy fashion that it is impossible to believe that was the best story they came up with. Also for all their virtual signaling with first character this first character that ,their "token "characters very rarely go beyond one dimensional clichés/caricatures that it's actually offensive to watch not only for the groups they desperately try to pander to but the casual viewer as well. Also the lack of understanding basic science is staggering to say the least.
Reply by VobIdem
on December 9, 2021 at 4:58 PM
They did? When was this? Who said it?
I've felt that way ever since Lorca kept a pet tribble and the skeletal remains of a Gorn in his office, while Section 31 agents operated in public and yet no one ever asked questions.
I've felt that way ever since Burnham and her captain walked a Starfleet insignia into desert sand on a cloudy day and their ship found them despite the tiny size on a planetary scale, while having tech more advanced than the USS Prometheus seen on Star Trek: Voyager
Reply by Nexus71
on March 8, 2022 at 7:25 PM