I agree. The writing is putrid. I was a huge fan mostly because of the comic but now the writing is so predictable and repetitive it really is boring. However, I have no given up on the show yet.

I stopped watching after episode 4 this season because I was just over the whole Negan thing. They just kept drilling how freakin horrible he is, and it got old. I came back for the mid season premier and was happy to see Rick found his balls again and is ready to fight for himself and his family. Plus the episode didn't include Negan. It sucks cause I absolutely love JDM, but hate seeing him as Negan. Must mean he's doing a good job as an actor.

I still like the show, but it has been better. It just all seems so convenient now. Cars all gassed up and ready for use. And then we have The Governor Part 2 in the form of Negan. I'm over that part already.

And then we have The Governor Part 2 in the form of Negan. I'm over that part already.

Yeah but that's real life innit? Once you dispensed of one asshole, another more hostile one that makes the first asshole look like Marry Poppins takes his place.

True, but I'm at the point that I want the show to start moving towards a conclusion. I just don't see the show getting there with the almost constant introduction of new bad people. I really don't see the show having that many more seasons.

@Rachael Tyrell said:

True, but I'm at the point that I want the show to start moving towards a conclusion. I just don't see the show getting there with the almost constant introduction of new bad people. I really don't see the show having that many more seasons.

Amen to that. But unfortunately TWD is cursed with being on commercial television and they will squeeze that rock until blood comes out. IMO they shoulda wrapped up the show in either this season or the next.

@RCH2288 said:

I was a big fan but really has become so repetitive and silly in my opinion.

keep watching, I think it is going to be great. I liked 7x09 and 7x10 a lot

I came close, really close to chucking this show but it's hard after so much time invested. I did do that with True Blood when it got stupid and almost wish I had with Dexter which was very disappointing in the end. I'm hanging in there but not sure how long I'll last if things don't pick up.

I'll stay with the show and possibly next season depending upon the cliff hanger and previews. I really don't think there's much more to see on the show though. It really needs to finish before it totally jumps the shark.

@Rachael Tyrell said:

True, but I'm at the point that I want the show to start moving towards a conclusion. I just don't see the show getting there with the almost constant introduction of new bad people. I really don't see the show having that many more seasons.

I still wonder where the government is? Are there no remaining authorities or doctors finding a cure??

@hiphifi1982 said:

I still wonder where the government is? Are there no remaining authorities or doctors finding a cure??

Me too!! This is where the entire premise walks on thin ice... if this had really happened, I think it would have been easily contained with in days. It's not like Zombis are tough to kill.

@HoneyWest said:

Me too!! This is where the entire premise walks on thin ice... if this had really happened, I think it would have been easily contained with in days. It's not like Zombis are tough to kill.

This is without a doubt the biggest issue if you approach the premise logically. Military folks are trained to wipe out people who run, zig zag, think, hide, and make plans. Mindless zombies? Fish in a barrel. With modern technology and weapons I find it inconceivable that the military would get dismantled in that situation. This is where I think Fear The Walking Dead dropped the ball big time. That show wasted a perfect opportunity to explain (or at least make it slightly more believable) how the government completely went kaput. Instead we got a second rate imitation of TWD.

@movie_nazi said:

@HoneyWest said:

Me too!! This is where the entire premise walks on thin ice... if this had really happened, I think it would have been easily contained with in days. It's not like Zombis are tough to kill.

This is without a doubt the biggest issue if you approach the premise logically. Military folks are trained to wipe out people who run, zig zag, think, hide, and make plans. Mindless zombies? Fish in a barrel. With modern technology and weapons I find it inconceivable that the military would get dismantled in that situation. This is where I think Fear The Walking Dead dropped the ball big time. That show wasted a perfect opportunity to explain (or at least make it slightly more believable) how the government completely went kaput. Instead we got a second rate imitation of TWD.

Actually, believe it or not people have done some pretty detailed computer models of this scenario. If the right decisions are made in the beginning, it's not hard to mop up and contain the outbreaks. One of the things the government has to do is ditch its reflexive tendency to keep information from the public and tell people everything they know. When average folks understand what's going on, and know the steps they can take to keep themselves and their families safe, there's still going to be fear but not genuine panic. The government in TWD (as shown in FTWD) made a big mistake keeping people in the dark. Another crucial factor is how long it actually takes for them to determine that the "infected" are dead bodies being animated by ... something. People trying to keep sick relatives tied up or trapped in a room until they can receive proper medical care is one of the major sources of new bite victims early on. The sooner the public is told their infected loved ones are beyond hope and need to be put down because they pose a real threat the better. Not everyone will heed the warning but with a thorough enough explanation most of them will.

The key is preventing the walkers from ever attaining large numbers. Keep people indoors and quiet while the military sweeps through and eliminates the ones wandering around outside. Local authorities can handle the house by house inspections afterward to get rid of any walking dead trapped there. Once things start getting out of hand, and there are hordes of walkers outnumbering the survivors, there's a point where the tide turns and you have to go on the defensive. Pick areas that are isolated by natural barriers or can be made so with artificial fortifications. Evacuate your forces there along with all the civilians and supplies you can transport. Basically, you have to abandon most of the world to the dead and save civilization by establishing sanctuaries. They may have done this in TWD. In fact they probably have. The ideal spots would be islands, more easily cleared of walkers and where survivors on the mainland would be completely unaware of their existence. Once you've got all the people you can support on your island sanctuaries the last thing you want is more refugees streaming in on boats.

The survivors have learned the hard way that taking on large groups of walkers in the open is a bad idea. The keys to keeping your community alive are good strong walls and herd management. Scouts to spot them early, and plans to divert them away in another direction. When you have to fight walkers do it as quietly as you can. With hand to hand weapons if possible, small arms when necessary. But large scale military operations using artillery and air support are audible for twenty or thirty miles in every direction. The number of dead that attracts is impossible to deal with short of a fuel-air bomb or a nuke. And even those wouldn't kill as many as you might hope. Burns and radiation aren't "fatal" to the already dead, only wounds that crush and destroy the brain (or vaporize them completely). Millions of smouldering corpses would stand up after the blast and keep going. Head shots are the most difficult of all kill shots. That's why snipers are trained to aim for the center of mass, upper torso, a technique that's useless against zombies. The number of successful head shots on TWD far exceeds what you'd be able to do realistically. Even trained marksmen would miss a lot more often than they do on the show. What I'm trying to say here is, a zombie is easy to kill. Even a thousand are manageable if you're smart about it. Holding a city against five million zombies is damn near impossible, the only way to "win" that battle is to hit the place with a twenty megaton warhead and incinerate everything.

@movie_nazi

I guess I've been under the assumption that the government hasn't helped because they are incompetent. No one does anything but talk about great ideas without any plans of implementation. If the disease was started in the government or within the military accidentally or purposefully, there's no one to ride in on the white horse.

It is true that we could kill all of the walkers with some serious mega bomb, but we know that the disease is within everyone. There would need to be a vaccine and the CDC is gone. The only other way to defeat the virus I'd to become immune. Some people would be naturally immune but carriers and some people could become immune due to exposure and nature's own defenses.

The biggest thing for me has been the speed of spread. Generally we get constant warnings about the flu, etc,and we then take some action. We know from FTWD that the hospitals were covering up. Why? What was the motive to hide this very serious disease?

@Rachael Tyrell said:

@movie_nazi

I guess I've been under the assumption that the government hasn't helped because they are incompetent. No one does anything but talk about great ideas without any plans of implementation. If the disease was started in the government or within the military accidentally or purposefully, there's no one to ride in on the white horse.

It is true that we could kill all of the walkers with some serious mega bomb, but we know that the disease is within everyone. There would need to be a vaccine and the CDC is gone. The only other way to defeat the virus I'd to become immune. Some people would be naturally immune but carriers and some people could become immune due to exposure and nature's own defenses.

The biggest thing for me has been the speed of spread. Generally we get constant warnings about the flu, etc,and we then take some action. We know from FTWD that the hospitals were covering up. Why? What was the motive to hide this very serious disease?

Probably the usual logic, to prevent a panic. In the beginning it seems like this is a regular disease they can contain. What actually happened was that something spread through the environment first. We don't know exactly where it started except that it was here in the US, because Jenner mentioned it was confined to North America for about 60 days before it "abruptly went global". Wherever it started from, there was an expanding area full of the mystery agent and in that area anyone who died became a walker. The pathogen had already spread. So traditional containment strategies based on isolating the infected and anyone exposed to them were useless in this situation. At what point they realized that we don't know, but like I said before - denial and secrecy were the worst possible approaches and allowed things to spiral out of control instead of being nipped in the bud.