Do you mean merge with the main Lupin the Third entry?

This one can have its own entry since it's not a sequel.

@banana_girl said:

Do you mean merge with the main Lupin the Third entry?

This one can have its own entry since it's not a sequel.

Yet it is. Are you working off of personal opinion or Japanese sites? This keeps coming back to how people are personally seeing the Lupin Series. Still not sure how people think Lupin III: Part V is a sequel and not it's own separate series. How does Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles get broken down between the different series? I hope they are sequels as well.

Are you working off of personal opinion or Japanese sites?

Our anime guidelines, actually.

But this is also supported by the official websites: Part 4, Part 5, Prequel

@banana_girl said:

Are you working off of personal opinion or Japanese sites?

Our anime guidelines, actually.

But this is also supported by the official websites: Part 4, Part 5, Prequel

So you ended up creating guidelines or have they been around for a while?

The websites are not calling them sequels as if they are the same show. I'm so confused by the way you think sequel series should fall under the same title. Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, (Dragon Ball GT), and Dragon Ball Super are sequel series... yet nobody has "fixed" that issue.

Sequel series the way you want to sort them for what ever reason is not searchable in programs using the API to apply metadata. Your organization is broken by doing this. The way you need to sort them would be to have them separate shows so they can be searchable by the programs using the API, and have a "Series" for TV the way you have "Collections" with the movies. I honestly think you're only doing this as a personal means to clean up the database. Either fix them all or give up enforcing the "rule".

The Dragon Ball ones are not (edit: all) sequels. That's why they have separate entries. AniDB might help you understand why some series are proper sequels and other aren't.

@banana_girl said:

The Dragon Ball ones are not sequels. That's why they have separate entries. AniDB might help you understand why some series are proper sequels and other aren't.

Lupin and DB are described the same way at AniDB. Can you please do more than saying "other people are saying it is" as a defense? In Japan. Lupin III: Part V. Is. A. New. Show. Like. DBZ. DB-Super. And. DB. If it's just to organize your site to help people find their shows and movies then my suggestion does that using a solution your site already embraces for movies. What's the real issue?

Oh wait, I was thinking about the wrong series. Dragon Ball is split because of the GT/Super situation.

If it's just to organize your site to help people find their shows and movies then my suggestion does that using a solution your site already embraces for movies.

But we would end up with the exact same issues? The reported entry wouldn't be in the Lupin collection. And a Dragon Ball collection wouldn't work.

@banana_girl said:

But we would end up with the exact same issues? The reported entry wouldn't be in the Lupin collection. And a Dragon Ball collection wouldn't work.

My argument is that having the separate Lupin Series (not sequels even in US terms) listed as new seasons makes it impossible for people to use programs that add metadata to your files. These are different titled shows, they aren't Lupin III S01E01 thru Lupin III S05E24. They need to be separate in the database and you can group them using a collection format that is more suited for a TV show. The site will be cleaned up, but more importantly, the programs can use the data properly.

Some people feel that the programers just need to get smarter and write more complex code. That's not the answer, just anyone who codes what is the best solution [especially when the site already has it built for movies].

I'm just saying, if you're gonna call Lupin III and it's follow-on series sequels or separate seasons then you need to do the same to Dragon Ball and it's follow-on series and TMNT and all the different versions through the years. What you do for one, you need to do for all or else you're not enforcing your confusing rule.

Do a search for Lupin III: part V and you won't find it because it's a season of a 1971 show. Who in their right mind would look for it there?

@irkillroy said:

@banana_girl said:

But we would end up with the exact same issues? The reported entry wouldn't be in the Lupin collection. And a Dragon Ball collection wouldn't work.

My argument is that having the separate Lupin Series (not sequels even in US terms) listed as new seasons makes it impossible for people to use programs that add metadata to your files. These are different titled shows, they aren't Lupin III S01E01 thru Lupin III S05E24. They need to be separate in the database and you can group them using a collection format that is more suited for a TV show. The site will be cleaned up, but more importantly, the programs can use the data properly. Some people feel that the programers just need to get smarter and write more complex code. That's not the answer, just anyone who codes what is the best solution [especially when the site already has it built for movies].

That would be me. Why are you imagining features that Travis already mentioned that he will be developing to you (universe collections, etc.)... just give it time?
You always view it from your local (totally legal) files you downloaded where "season title / episode number" are the file name but that doesn't really compare for movies. @Travis will most likely improve the search for finding season AKAs and anyone will be able to handle this without much issue with TMDB. As already mentioned in the other thread, there are solutions for this which work with the current implementation... you are just not using a popular one that bothered to implement it

I'm just saying, if you're gonna call Lupin III and it's follow-on series sequels or separate seasons then you need to do the same to Dragon Ball and it's follow-on series and TMNT and all the different versions through the years. What you do for one, you need to do for all or else you're not enforcing your confusing rule.

I wouldn't compare "comic" stuff with "anime" since the former just recycles stuff between each writer. As for splitting Dragon Ball from Z I'd have to agree with you... it's a sequel.

Do a search for Lupin III: part V and you won't find it because it's a season of a 1971 show. Who in their right mind would look for it there?

You can find it that way... https://www.themoviedb.org/search?query=Lupin+III%3A+part+v.
As to who would look there? Anyone looking for Lupin the 3rd..?

@irkillroy said:

@banana_girl said:

The Dragon Ball ones are not sequels. That's why they have separate entries. AniDB might help you understand why some series are proper sequels and other aren't.

Lupin and DB are described the same way at AniDB. Can you please do more than saying "other people are saying it is" as a defense? In Japan. Lupin III: Part V. Is. A. New. Show. Like. DBZ. DB-Super. And. DB. If it's just to organize your site to help people find their shows and movies then my suggestion does that using a solution your site already embraces for movies. What's the real issue?

Should I even reply? I think I already said I would never do so again... care to provide proper evidence against the factual information that Banana presented? "People in Japan think about this differently" is a terrible argument.

This whole thread gives me deja-vu @irkillroy. Didn’t this get discussed endlessly already. If you desperately need it your way, use anidb or Myanimelist or something.

I also argued that DB and DBZ should be one entry though. Is it on the list to merge, @banana_girl ? I forgot maybe it is.

Oh wait no i checked. Theres just about seasons of DBZ be merged into one. Not moved to DB entry.

// EDIT: Oh you even mentioned it in this thread #fail

@alltimemarr said:

This whole thread gives me deja-vu @irkillroy. Didn’t this get discussed endlessly already. If you desperately need it your way, use anidb or Myanimelist or something.

I also argued that DB and DBZ should be one entry though. Is it on the list to merge, @banana_girl ? I forgot maybe it is.

Oh wait no i checked. Theres just about seasons of DBZ be merged into one. Not moved to DB entry.

// EDIT: Oh you even mentioned it in this thread #fail

It feels that way because I'm still salty about the means by which you're doing this. I don't use this site as a means to just look at information, it's a primary site to source metadata for digital media. When you change the way you store information from show to show just because someone has the idea to call them seasons when they AREN'T, well you screw up a lot of open source programs that use the site. yes, yes... have them change the code, that won't happen. The disenfranchised are the anime fans who can't get their shows metadata. enjoy the deja vu.

They are. It's just "the scene" who doesn't think they are.

Because of that, we implemented episode groups even, and didn't start the transition until they went live. But, yeah, it's up to API users to update to include episode groups. They are available via the API already.

(and hey, I am an anime fan too, and so is @sp1ti. But you don't hear us raving about it x'])

Just use a naming converter, like I said a gazillion times already. Then you don't even have a need for Plex or whatever to update their stuff. Though, I don't know if there's any for TMDb filenames, I did use one in the past to synch with TVDb filenames (as I do like me some pretty names, but am to lazy to edit everything). But I have no need for such stuff anymore.

There is always a delay between the (totally legal) versions and the ones from funimation and crunchy roll. Fans support the the series once it's released regardless how they saw it originally. But everyone has their opinions; watch it raw on TV, get the fan sub to get better context, buy the official sub. What's the issue?

I don't even know why you are talking about subs and dubs and funimation and crunchyroll right now.

This tool might help you. It lets you rename your TV files based on TMDb if I am correct too.