Sister, we live in a democracy, so no, I don't. But, for your ignorance, rape doesn't happen because someone wears revealing clothes or because someone's drunk. It happens because someone else is an arsehole

@Joeisacoolguy said:

Sister, we live in a democracy, so no, I don't. But, for your ignorance, rape doesn't happen because someone wears revealing clothes or because someone's drunk. It happens because someone else is an arsehole

Ahh, I see. So you think we can wave a magic anti-rape wand and men will realize that rape is wrong and it will never happen again. OK, sure thing. I prefer to live in the real world, however. Here's the bad news: Rape isn't going away. But guess what!? There is some good news! You can GREATLY reduce the likelihood of being raped by controlling your desires to drink like an effing maniac. If you are of sober mind, you can then completely and clearly realize when a guy is being, as you put it, an "arsehole." You can also get the hell away from him. If you are passed out, good luck with that.

I am male, and people can protect drunk people, like Justin should have with Jessica. Nevertheless, I will not argue with you, as you are so stubborn.

@Joeisacoolguy said:

I am male, and people can protect drunk people, like Justin should have with Jessica. Nevertheless, I will not argue with you, as you are so stubborn.

I find your point of view sexist. You are basically arguing that females are weak and incapable of protecting themselves.

@Joeisacoolguy said:

You find my point of view sexist, but you say Hannah played the victim? I only mentioned Justin, because he was the person in this scene. Don't talk to me about sexism, you stupid prat, when you are defending a rapist! You are a scumbag, as people have said to you before, and you've decided daily to reply to me to confirm my knowledge that you are a terrible person. Going back to the subject, Hannah did try to push that bastard away from her, but I guess you think she didn't do enough. You're such a Neanderthal that I refuse to talk to you anymore... I didn't want to talk to you in the first place. I am reporting your thread, and I hope you think over what a terrible human being you are becoming.

I hope this is a joke post because if it isn't you have really crossed the line. You are calling me names because I hold a different viewpoint than you and you feel threatened by my intelligence. I find your behavior totally inexcusable. I haven't once resorted to childish name-calling like you. You are reporting me? For what? Because you got smoked in a debate? I am reporting YOU now. Unbelievable.

@Joeisacoolguy said:

You find my point of view sexist, but you say Hannah played the victim? I only mentioned Justin, because he was the person in this scene. Don't talk to me about sexism, you stupid prat, when you are defending a rapist! You are a scumbag, as people have said to you before, and you've decided daily to reply to me to confirm my knowledge that you are a terrible person. Going back to the subject, Hannah did try to push that bastard away from her, but I guess you think she didn't do enough. You're such a Neanderthal that I refuse to talk to you anymore... I didn't want to talk to you in the first place. I am reporting your thread, and I hope you think over what a terrible human being you are becoming.

Hannah didn't say "NO" tho. The stupid revengeful slut.

@Kewl_Kat said:

@Joeisacoolguy said:

You find my point of view sexist, but you say Hannah played the victim? I only mentioned Justin, because he was the person in this scene. Don't talk to me about sexism, you stupid prat, when you are defending a rapist! You are a scumbag, as people have said to you before, and you've decided daily to reply to me to confirm my knowledge that you are a terrible person. Going back to the subject, Hannah did try to push that bastard away from her, but I guess you think she didn't do enough. You're such a Neanderthal that I refuse to talk to you anymore... I didn't want to talk to you in the first place. I am reporting your thread, and I hope you think over what a terrible human being you are becoming.

I hope this is a joke post because if it isn't you have really crossed the line. You are calling me names because I hold a different viewpoint than you and you feel threatened by my intelligence. I find your behavior totally inexcusable. I haven't once resorted to childish name-calling like you. You are reporting me? For what? Because you got smoked in a debate? I am reporting YOU now. Unbelievable.

Kewl_Kat was not defending a rapist, only saying that Hannah would likely not have been a victim if she had better control over her actions. True, someone could still be raped if sober, but at least they have the mental capacity to attempt to escape, not being passed out drunk. That's not sympathizing with the rapist. I never felt it was a "scumbag" thing to say.

It's like the scene when Hannah was making out with the Asian girl after they had both been drinking. When stuff turns south, it's someone else's fault in her opinion, never "Hey, maybe I should not have been in my home drinking while I'm underage, on the bed with another girl with the curtains up". Some of her 13 reasons were truly messed up, but a few of them was her blaming others for stuff she could've controlled.

Threatened by your "intelligence"?? Hahaha! I am disgusted by your apologist attitude towards Bryce. This is exactly the reason several rape victims don't come forward. And yes, you did call people names. You called me sarcastically "knowledgeable one", and you just called me "sexist" just because I pointed out Justin should have done more to help Jessica (as, for that matter, should Hannah)- and if we're talking sexist, who was the one who said "Boys are ridiculously horny all the time"? You! And I'll let you in on something- I'm a borderline asexual virgin! So, yeah, don't talk to me about sexism. And don't get me started on the way you talked to Jana. And yes, I reported this thread for all the reasons I have just listed

@A-Dubya said:

@Kewl_Kat said:

@Joeisacoolguy said:

You find my point of view sexist, but you say Hannah played the victim? I only mentioned Justin, because he was the person in this scene. Don't talk to me about sexism, you stupid prat, when you are defending a rapist! You are a scumbag, as people have said to you before, and you've decided daily to reply to me to confirm my knowledge that you are a terrible person. Going back to the subject, Hannah did try to push that bastard away from her, but I guess you think she didn't do enough. You're such a Neanderthal that I refuse to talk to you anymore... I didn't want to talk to you in the first place. I am reporting your thread, and I hope you think over what a terrible human being you are becoming.

I hope this is a joke post because if it isn't you have really crossed the line. You are calling me names because I hold a different viewpoint than you and you feel threatened by my intelligence. I find your behavior totally inexcusable. I haven't once resorted to childish name-calling like you. You are reporting me? For what? Because you got smoked in a debate? I am reporting YOU now. Unbelievable.

Kewl_Kat was not defending a rapist, only saying that Hannah would likely not have been a victim if she had better control over her actions. True, someone could still be raped if sober, but at least they have the mental capacity to attempt to escape, not being passed out drunk. That's not sympathizing with the rapist. I never felt it was a "scumbag" thing to say.

It's like the scene when Hannah was making out with the Asian girl after they had both been drinking. When stuff turns south, it's someone else's fault in her opinion, never "Hey, maybe I should not have been in my home drinking while I'm underage, on the bed with another girl with the curtains up". Some of her 13 reasons were truly messed up, but a few of them was her blaming others for stuff she could've controlled.

I don't deny that Hannah doesn't accept any blame a few times when she could have (I'm not a fan of her)- but the fact is, while saying a drunk person is putting themselves in potential danger is a fair comment, to say it was "all basically her fault" is definitely a nasty thing to say. It's not a case of holding different viewpoints, it's the way Kewl_Kat… well, if you see my latest comment to her, you'll know why. To be honest, I'm unsubscribing to this thread, as although you yourself seem capable of rational conversation, a lot of people here don't. Trouble is about Courtney and Tyler though, is that the former lied about Hannah coming onto her, when it was the opposite, while Tyler, he was obviously invading both of their personal spaces.

@Joeisacoolguy said:

Threatened by your "intelligence"?? Hahaha! I am disgusted by your apologist attitude towards Bryce. This is exactly the reason several rape victims don't come forward. And yes, you did call people names. You called me sarcastically "knowledgeable one", and you just called me "sexist" just because I pointed out Justin should have done more to help Jessica (as, for that matter, should Hannah)- and if we're talking sexist, who was the one who said "Boys are ridiculously horny all the time"? You! And I'll let you in on something- I'm a borderline asexual virgin! So, yeah, don't talk to me about sexism. And don't get me started on the way you talked to Jana. And yes, I reported this thread for all the reasons I have just listed

Kindly point out where I ever defended the actions of that character. My whole point was that people need to take responsibility for themselves.

Also, since you seem to struggle with reality, Bryce, Hannah, and all the rest are fictional characters. I am free to give my opinions on all of them without some weirdo flagging my posts. I abide by the guidelines of the site, while you have broken them with your personal attacks against me. You come on here and instead of having a mature conversation, start calling me names like a child. You should be ashamed of yourself. Unlike the fiction characters in a TV show, I am a real person who, quite frankly, feels that you have some serious growing up to do.

This whole thread is a defence for him.... Rapists, and rapists alone are the only people to blame for rape. And I'm aware they're not real, but the whole point of this series was to raise awareness of what can cause someone to kill themselves. So, while your criticisms of Hannah won't offend Hannah, what about real rape victims (like Jana's daughter) who might read your propaganda, and see the contemptible words you have written. And I didn't want a conversation with you at all, because, despite what you think, you have broken several rules of this site with the way you talked to people before me, and clearly, you can dish criticism out, but you can't take it. No, I'm not ashamed of myself, because people who act like rape victims under any circumstance need to take responsibility for the fact that they were drunk and someone took advantage, need to grow up. You've constantly deflected from what I said, and have decided to focus purely on 13RW (which, btw, is the point of this thread, so I don't understand why you're objecting to me focusing on them), while I have spoken about how real rape victims don't come forward often, because people like you point the finger of blame at them.

I thought you were done with me and this thread. Didn't you type that a few times now?

Yes, but you keep replying to me, and sadly, I can't find a way to get rid of it

@Joeisacoolguy said:

Yes, but you keep replying to me, and sadly, I can't find a way to get rid of it

OK but it seems like my observations & opinions really stress you out. I hope you are able to recover.

@Joeisacoolguy said:

Yes, but you keep replying to me, and sadly, I can't find a way to get rid of it

You won't get rid of me that easily(eh)