Well, it's at least possible that Spock was out of the home before Michael showed up. And at least as modified by the animated series episode, the sehlat was dead before she showed up, when Spock was still a child. It also seems unlikely she would have met T'Pring, since it seems like once she and Spock were "bonded" at age... 7, was it?... they didn't see each other again until Amok Time.

The T'Pol and Tuvok questions are more open, but I think it's more likely they'll find it irresistible to show a young Kirk somewhere along the line. Unless it gets cancelled before then. (Let's hope. At least, I do.)

We now know that Spock was at home when Amanda was reading Alice in Wonderland to them and so I'd assume Amanda was there at quite a young age.

No mention of Sybok though, he had a different mother though and may have flown the coup or not resided there.

I didn't wont to start a new thread so I came here.

Sarek should be ashame of his actions, lying like that to Michael. It was a low thing to ask him to choose but Sarek should have dealt the matter in an honest way .

He should have told Michael and Amanda what was really going on...they could have discussed matters at home , asked Spock's opinion...so why did Sarek prefer to lie to Michael and keep his family in the dark ?

It's obvious that Sarek wanted Spock to enter the Vulcan Science Academy ....but what did Spock want ? Could it be that Sarek wasn't 100% sure that Spock wanted the same thing... was Sarek worried that if he revealed the jerky deal the Vulcan Expeditionary Group had made to him , Spock might have seen the matter as an opportunity to come forward and say "Send Michael , I prefer to enroll in Starfleet"......it's just a thought..

Anyways , what ever the motives , lying to Michael was low...making her believe that she had not been accepted because she hadn't reached the requirements necessary was unforgivable...I can see why Sarek was so adamant to keep his ugly secret to himself even at the cost of dying.

Amanda should probably not be as young as she was portrayed here, and for that matter probably not as young as she was portrayed in TOS. Even half-human Vulcans such as Spock were likely not serving aboard starships until they were in their 50s or so. And we must remember, even at the time of ST:D, Spock had already been serving with Captain Pike for some time. The events of The Cage had taken place 3 years before.

@ to Knixon

That was the first impression I got seeing STD' s Amanda ..she is far too young ,she should look closed to 50 .

On the other hand Amanda in TOS seems okay for me ..a well preserved lady of 68 years old.

Spock in "The Cage " looks a bit old for me ( 24 years old) ...while he looks the part under the command of Kirk( 35years old)

Vulcans do live longer but I'm not aware that we know how exactly their rate of ageing goes...and then there is to consider that Spock is only half Vulcan...maybe his aging process is unique like he is.

Well it seems that Vulcans - or even half Vulcans - don't look like full humans at the same ages. In The Cage, Spock was probably at least 40. Regardless of Nimoy's age.

You could be right about Amanda though on TOS. She might have been in her 60s then - Sarek was said to be what, 102? - and Spock... well, maybe late 40s by then? But if she had Spock in her 20s, that seems to be a bit young to have met a Vulcan ambassador etc. And Spock in his late 40s then would mean he was in his mid-30s for The Cage which still seems too young for a Vulcan in that position.

It's all nonsense, of course. But fun to tinker with sometimes.

By Knixon: It's all nonsense, of course. But fun to tinker with sometimes.

It's fun to try and make the dots meet.

Sarek was born in 2165 Amanda in 2200

They met in the late 2220's so I presumed they then got married in 2229 and had Spock in 2230.

Spock arrived at Starfleet in 2250 a year before Burnham's request to join the Vulcan Expeditinary Group. (2249)

The Cage incident was in 2254 so Spock was 24 years old.. In 2265 (11 years and a couple of months after serving Pike ) , Spock commenced serving under Kirk .

He was 35 years old.

Journey to Babel happened in 2268 so Amanda was 68 years old .

As I mentioned above Sarek was born in 2165

He had Sybok , his first son in 2224 at the age of 59. He died in 2368 at the age of 203.

I read that female Vulcans are always fertile ....to which I added......after reaching sexual maturity .

It would helped to know what age do Vulcans experience their first Pon Farr (I presume it various)which I always thought represented their sexual maturity ..

In another words after their initial bonding at the age of 7 they then experience their first Pon Farr when they reach adulthood and they can actually procreate.

Spock bonded with T'Pring when he was seven ..only when he turned 35 ( Amok Time 2267) did Spock experience his first Pon farr which ( in my opinion) coincided with him reaching sexual maturity..

....well for someone that can live over 200 years that seems to tally.

All well and good, except duplicate Spock in movie 3 The Search For Spock, had his first Pon Farr (with Saavik) much younger.

It also seems to be pretty common that Vulcans aren't considered to be fully educated etc, and ready to take on adult jobs and responsibilities, until they are much older than for humans. In part, no doubt, because they live so much longer.

As I recall, in the "Flashback" episode of Voyager, we saw that Tuvok first served under Captain Sulu on the Excelsior, and he was in his 50s already as an ensign or possibly lieutenant. Which seems to be pretty much the norm for Vulcans. Even for Spock.

By Knixon:

All well and good, except duplicate Spock in movie 3 The Search For Spock, had his first Pon Farr (with Saavik) much younger.

I had a hunch you would bring this point up.

Spock's rebirth /regenerated body in Star Trek lll is a unique case.

Spock was experiencing an accelerated version of Pon Farr due to the Genesis planet's influence .

His body was also aging rapidly /abnormally.

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Yes, but it still wound up with him being the same age that he had been when he 'died.' (Since he had to be, for the next movie.) And the Spock that had the first (possibly of more than one) Pon Farr on the Genesis Planet, was definitely much younger than the Spock of "Amok Time." I suppose it's possible to claim anything for "abnormally" though, but Saavik seemed to expect it at the age duplicate-Spock appeared to be.

If duplicate-Spock had been aging linearly just at a faster rate, the Pon Farr would have been there and gone too quickly to do anything about it. But he was aging in bursts.

by knixon:

And the Spock that had the first (possibly of more than one) Pon Farr on the Genesis Planet, was definitely much younger than the Spock of "Amok Time." I suppose it's possible to claim anything for "abnormally" though, but Saavik seemed to expect it at the age duplicate-Spock appeared to be.

I don't see why you give more credit to what happened to Spock on the Genesis planet rather than what happened to him in "Amok Time".

Spock's rebirth , rapid growth , him experiencing Pon Farr as a teen and his rapid aging are all part of the Genesis effect , which we know was faulty... what happend to Spock was not natural and so shouldn't be considered as the rule.

I think what happened to Spock in "Amok Time" makes far more sense ...and to this effect , I would like to back up my belief with some (according to me ) sound reasoning .

Spock and T’Pring bonded at the tender age of 7 . They met again after 28 years when Spock was serving on the Enterprise under the command of Kirk .

Due to the fact that Vulcans have a life span double ours I ‘m inclined to believe that they become sexually mature not earlier than during their 28th or 35th year of life.

I personally find it improbable that Vulcans would experience their first Pon Farr at 14 or even 21 .

Spock was 35 when he experienced his first Pon Farr . He was a mature adult , with a strong constitution yet he barely made it through the whole neurochemical imbalance that caused him a form of madness (blood fever) .

I can’t see an adolescent coping successfully with the physical , mental , biological duress of Pon Farr ...not to speak about the psychological implications ( mate or die).

A Vulcan child at 14 , even 21 is still too weak and vunerable to go through such a violent ,traumatic experience ..Vulcans at that age are still learning about how to control their emotions , through practise and meditation.

Pon Farr is part of the reprodutive cylce of Vulcans ..it would be a sort of contradition if Mother Nature expected Vulcans to go throught such an ordeal ,unprepared ,at a too early stage of their life, don't you think?

Nope, you missed a few things. Spock was definitely much older than a human would be in a similar position, as seems to be typical for Vulcans. If Spock was 35 for Kirk, then he was only 22 when he and Captain Pike dealt with the Talosians, which took place 13 years earlier. I don't believe that.

Some other things don't really line up either. At the time of Discovery, it's supposed to be 10 years before TOS. Which means Spock is already serving with Pike, they've already met the Talosians... And Burnham was supposed to have been serving with Captain Georgiu for 7 years already. So she would have left Sarek's house when Spock was an early teenager? Which might mean that Burnham was older than Spock? I don't buy that either.

by Knixon:

Nope, you missed a few things. Spock was definitely much older than a human would be in a similar position, as seems to be typical for Vulcans. If Spock was 35 for Kirk, then he was only 22 when he and Captain Pike dealt with the Talosians, which took place 13 years earlier. I don't believe .

@ Spock was born in January 2230 . The Cage incident occurred in 2254. Spock was 24 years old . Spock served under Pike for 11 years , 4 months and 5 days . So 24 +11= 35 (the 4 months and 5 days I put aside)

Which tallies seeing Kirk was given the command of the Enterprise in 2265 , which had been assigned to a 5 year mission of deep space exploration...Spock started serving under Kirk in 2265.

And yes , as I stated in an earlier post , Spock in the Cage looks too old.....even though the make up artist(?) made him look younger than Spock that served under Kirk.

Some other things don't really line up either. At the time of Discovery, it's supposed to be 10 years before TOS. Which means Spock is already serving with Pike, they've already met the Talosians... And Burnham was supposed to have been serving with Captain Georgiu for 7 years already. So she would have left Sarek's house when Spock was an early teenager? Which might mean that Burnham was older than Spock? I don't buy that either.

@ Michael Burnham was born 4 years earlier than Spock , in 2226.

In 2249 , Sarek spoke to the VEG and was forced to choose between Spock and Michael for a place in their Fleet.

In the same year , Sarek , found a place in StarFleet for Michael ...she became member of the Shenzhou crew under the command of Captain Georgiou

2256 ..seven year later ...Michael has become first officer to Captain Georgiou...the Klingon incident occurred the same year. Michael is 30 years old ..

In the meantime Spock had been serving under Pike for nearly two years (2254 ..The Cage) ..add 10 years to 2256 ( year of the Klingon incident) and we get Spock and Kirk together just a year.