Perhaps it's just because I've seem damn near everything before. But this episode kinda makes The Starlost actually seem good in comparison.
Used to be full episodes on youtube, but now that a small company brought it out on dvd, they make youtube take down everything but clips such as the opening:
Never saw it, actually. Didn't care much for the earlier style brit-fi stuff. Including Dr Who, even the newer versions. Now, UFO, that was a different story entirely!
Well actually Quatermass was okay too. But that's also a different style.
I am soooooo glad they don't have a prime directive.
The prime directive was not to interfere with developing civilizations meaning those not yet capable of deep space travel until they could not be avoided anymore (they develop deep space travel on their own) at which point they are shown the society already established and offered a place in it. The purpose was so those societies wouldn't feel exploited, subjugated, or coerced to join the established society in place as they would be at equal footing and mature enough to decide what it is they want for their people. The civilization encountered wasn't actually developing as they were already capable of deep space travel. They just sort of lost touch of who they were already, and oppressed to the point they could not save themselves even though they were fully capable of doing so. There was no violation here even if they had such a directive.
Well put. But why didn't Kirk use that reasoning for Yonada? Is there a point at which once people have forgotten long enough, they aren't considered to have advanced any more?
Well put. But why didn't Kirk use that reasoning for Yonada? Is there a point at which once people have forgotten long enough, they aren't considered to have advanced any more?
This story was actually a take on that episode, and Kirk did help the Yonada's people (at least Natira) understand what the Yonada was and saved them.
Yes, but they "debated" whether it would be a violation of the Prime Directive. Since the Yonadans themselves - their ancestors, anyway - built the ship, it shouldn't have been an issue.
Yes, but they "debated" whether it would be a violation of the Prime Directive. Since the Yonadans themselves - their ancestors, anyway - built the ship, it shouldn't have been an issue.
It was hardly a debate. Spock said it might be a violation, and then Kirk immediately came up with a loophole instead of thinking it through as he usually does in these situations. Still the results was the same, and the Federation would make an official introduction a year later (as Kirk said he would do at the end).
I guess. Although in other contexts, especially future contexts - the TNG ep First Contact being a prime example - it was the development of warp drive that triggered first contact. A generation-ship might not qualify.
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Reply by Tim-Buktu
on September 29, 2017 at 8:27 PM
I am soooooo glad they don't have a prime directive.
Reply by Nygma-0999
on September 29, 2017 at 10:09 PM
Even though that had a Prime Directive in Star Trek. They always found a way to break it.
Reply by bratface
on September 29, 2017 at 11:49 PM
Liam Neeson was a pleasant surprise.
Reply by Tim-Buktu
on September 30, 2017 at 9:29 AM
My point exactly. What's that crunching sound? Just the Prime Directive getting stepped on again.
Reply by Knixon
on September 30, 2017 at 1:15 PM
Well, maybe I'm seeing things, but I could swear they turned to starboard after saying the large mass was to port.
And I heard music from Star Trek: The Motion Picture.
Reply by Knixon
on September 30, 2017 at 2:07 PM
Perhaps it's just because I've seem damn near everything before. But this episode kinda makes The Starlost actually seem good in comparison.
Used to be full episodes on youtube, but now that a small company brought it out on dvd, they make youtube take down everything but clips such as the opening:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMAi6u4Ps5A
Reply by Knixon
on October 1, 2017 at 2:34 AM
It almost even makes this look good, in comparison:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x51k2b5
Reply by znexyish
on October 1, 2017 at 3:33 PM
I see your Space 1999 and raise you a Blake 7.
Reply by Knixon
on October 1, 2017 at 5:40 PM
Never saw it, actually. Didn't care much for the earlier style brit-fi stuff. Including Dr Who, even the newer versions. Now, UFO, that was a different story entirely!
Well actually Quatermass was okay too. But that's also a different style.
Reply by Innovator
on October 3, 2017 at 4:52 AM
The prime directive was not to interfere with developing civilizations meaning those not yet capable of deep space travel until they could not be avoided anymore (they develop deep space travel on their own) at which point they are shown the society already established and offered a place in it. The purpose was so those societies wouldn't feel exploited, subjugated, or coerced to join the established society in place as they would be at equal footing and mature enough to decide what it is they want for their people. The civilization encountered wasn't actually developing as they were already capable of deep space travel. They just sort of lost touch of who they were already, and oppressed to the point they could not save themselves even though they were fully capable of doing so. There was no violation here even if they had such a directive.
Reply by Knixon
on October 3, 2017 at 12:54 PM
Well put. But why didn't Kirk use that reasoning for Yonada? Is there a point at which once people have forgotten long enough, they aren't considered to have advanced any more?
Reply by Innovator
on October 3, 2017 at 2:57 PM
This story was actually a take on that episode, and Kirk did help the Yonada's people (at least Natira) understand what the Yonada was and saved them.
Reply by Knixon
on October 3, 2017 at 3:03 PM
Yes, but they "debated" whether it would be a violation of the Prime Directive. Since the Yonadans themselves - their ancestors, anyway - built the ship, it shouldn't have been an issue.
Reply by Innovator
on October 3, 2017 at 4:08 PM
It was hardly a debate. Spock said it might be a violation, and then Kirk immediately came up with a loophole instead of thinking it through as he usually does in these situations. Still the results was the same, and the Federation would make an official introduction a year later (as Kirk said he would do at the end).
Reply by Knixon
on October 3, 2017 at 4:12 PM
I guess. Although in other contexts, especially future contexts - the TNG ep First Contact being a prime example - it was the development of warp drive that triggered first contact. A generation-ship might not qualify.