While I agree that a lot of movies/TV shows have bad dialogue, I'm not sure Cobra Kai is guilty of this. Hey, it ain't Shakespeare, but it's passable for the genre.

@mechajutaro said:

@intothenightalone said:

I find that modern american movies and tv shows have really bad dialogue. What's with all the smutty stuff? It just doesn't feel appropriate. It's low brow.

What smutty stuff are you referring to? Johnny and Kreese are both rude to damn everyone, but not even their dialogue is reminiscent of Dice Clay or Amy Schumer at it's most garish

Yeah, that's what I thought. Of all the descriptions of Cobra Kai that come to mind the last would be "smutty".

@Dark_Sithlord said:

While I agree that a lot of movies/TV shows have bad dialogue, I'm not sure Cobra Kai is guilty of this. Hey, it ain't Shakespeare, but it's passable for the genre.

I would agree that initially in it's first season the show isn't guilty. I can recognise when you're supposed to lower the bar and accept when something is supposed to be cheesy and it got that cheese level about right for what it was. The first season was pretty damn good. But now the dialogue has really become so horrific, the plot developments so ludicrous that it is hard to enjoy it on any level any more for me. It's some of the worst dialogue I've heard in a tv show.

The first season had a great ending and I wished they'd left it there. It would have been great as just a one off. But the show is very good at getting you hyped up for more. The way season 3 left it I thought "Shit, I guess I'm gonna be watching season 4 then".

@JustinJackFlash said:

@mechajutaro said:

@intothenightalone said:

I find that modern american movies and tv shows have really bad dialogue. What's with all the smutty stuff? It just doesn't feel appropriate. It's low brow.

What smutty stuff are you referring to? Johnny and Kreese are both rude to damn everyone, but not even their dialogue is reminiscent of Dice Clay or Amy Schumer at it's most garish

Yeah, that's what I thought. Of all the descriptions of Cobra Kai that come to mind the last would be "smutty".

@Dark_Sithlord said:

While I agree that a lot of movies/TV shows have bad dialogue, I'm not sure Cobra Kai is guilty of this. Hey, it ain't Shakespeare, but it's passable for the genre.

I would agree that initially in it's first season the show isn't guilty. I can recognise when you're supposed to lower the bar and accept when something is supposed to be cheesy and it got that cheese level about right for what it was. The first season was pretty damn good. But now the dialogue has really become so horrific, the plot developments so ludicrous that it is hard to enjoy it on any level any more for me. It's some of the worst dialogue I've heard in a tv show.

The first season had a great ending and I wished they'd left it there. It would have been great as just a one off. But the show is very good at getting you hyped up for more. The way season 3 left it I thought "Shit, I guess I'm gonna be watching season 4 then".

You do realize it's a comedy, right? It's meant to be absurd. It's not going for serious melodrama.

As for the dialogue, there's literally no difference in quality between Season 1 and Season 4. You're inventing problems that don't exist.

@intothenightalone said:

I find that modern american movies and tv shows have really bad dialogue. What's with all the smutty stuff? It just doesn't feel appropriate. It's low brow.

Smutty? Lol! What are you, a 60 year old grandma?

It's a comedy show aimed at adults ffs.

@Jai_86 said:

You do realize it's a comedy, right? It's meant to be absurd. It's not going for serious melodrama.

(Spoilers)

In a sense I guess it's a comedy. It's intent is to recreate the cheesiness of 80s movies. I'm not sure I'd call it a comedy but more a celebration of cheesiness. Which I tend to love and as I said, it does very well in season 1. It's very earnest and sincere. But whatever you wanna call it, yes it's meant to be absurd. The thing is it still needs to keep narrative threads and character motivations that sit right within the boundaries of what you're watching. We can be cheesy but we can't go Naked Gun silly. There are limits.

And a major problem is it's tone veered wildly in seasons 2 and 3. The main example being the big high school fight at the end of season 2, which is supposed to be silly fun. But it then culminates in a central character getting his back broken violently. That's just really really dark and felt completely out of place in this kind of light hearted show. A show that could be considered a comedy as you say. I don't wanna see something like that here. For the same reason that I wouldn't want to see some high school shooter burst in at the end of The Breakfast Club and gun down the entire cast.

And the issue then is that you know that in season 3 the show can only go two ways. He can stay disabled forever which is way too dark and gritty for the material or he can heal really quickly and get back into the fighting, which means the show doesn't have the courage of it's convictions. Thankfully it did take the better of the two options.

As for the dialogue, there's literally no difference in quality between Season 1 and Season 4. You're inventing problems that don't exist.

I haven't seen Season 4 so I couldn't say.