Uhh... do you screenwrite, aholejones?

@Rocky_Sullivan said:

Uhh... do you screenwrite, aholejones?

No. Just a fan of consistency and coherency.

@aholejones said:

@Rocky_Sullivan said:

Uhh... do you screenwrite, aholejones?

No. Just a fan of consistency and coherency.

OK. I just wondered.

What bugs me with these new Saw movies are the traps. Some of them are really unbelievable and stupid. In this one the seesaw was really stupid and I don't understand why they had planned it so that they would get trapped on it while the scammers go get the money and activate the real trap. That didn't make any sense and it seemed like the only purpose was to get a twist in the end of the movie, it was lame. And the actual gas room trap was also lame. They should really come up with more believable and simpler traps that don't seem like a million things could go wrong.

EDIT: Every time I view any film from the Saw franchise, I find myself disliking it rather strongly. It feels like too much effort's been put in to be "edgy" and contemporary with them, basically. I don't fault the original poster for his / her concerns. I'm not sure how many writers out here really care about the craft of screenwriting when they put the pencil to paper or turn on their word processors -- whether mega-successful or not -- so the original poster's concerns do seem well-founded.

@aholejones said:

I mean it's mostly been downhill since the first few Saw movies, but the script on this movie seems rather uninspired and poorly thought of when compared the other movies. The whole premise of this killer who vets his victims meticulously and designs his death traps to the last detail so there is basically no way out of them except the one he has envisioned, but somehow he doesn't do any real research on the people or this miracle cure they are offering him. Heck, they actually show him doing some kind of basic "google" search and later on they show a list of their past scam victims and Amanda notes how they are all dead. I'd imagine there would've been some rather irate family members etc. after their deaths raising hell that would've shown up on his search.

Anyways as far as Saw movies goes this wasn't great at all and I'd give it a 6/10.

By the way, when the scammers are in the warehouse and one of them is in his/her trap didn't Cecilia say something like "If Diego could escape so can you!". How exactly would she know about Diego?

Not saying the movie was perfect, but some of this can kind of be explained away. The experimental treatment was not approved of by the medical community so it would be hard to track down "proof" as it was an underground operation, and John was desperate for a cure, especially after seeing the guy with incurable pancreatic cancer survive. I'm willing to buy John was willing to overlook red flags in the hopes of being saved.

As far as the traps, well, it wouldn't be Saw without the absurdly complicated traps, let alone how John got his hand on all the stuff he needed and put it together (although we can assume Amanda helped).

The one part that can't be explained away is why he would allow the scammers to let them think they got the upper hand in the end. That could have backfired so spectacularly, it's the only part of the movie I really didn't like.

@cswood said:

The one part that can't be explained away is why he would allow the scammers to let them think they got the upper hand in the end. That could have backfired so spectacularly, it's the only part of the movie I really didn't like.

Yes this bit didn't make sense, especially as he knew Parker Sears was lying from the start. I knew he wanted to give them a chance of redemption but John let it go on far too long.

Also didn't like how Cecilia didn't "die" in the end (I know it implied she does but we don't get to see this comeuppance). In fact, her presumed death and Parker's were pretty tame compared to the way the others died, and they were just the subordinates.

@cpheonix said:

@cswood said:

The one part that can't be explained away is why he would allow the scammers to let them think they got the upper hand in the end. That could have backfired so spectacularly, it's the only part of the movie I really didn't like.

Yes this bit didn't make sense, especially as he knew Parker Sears was lying from the start. I knew he wanted to give them a chance of redemption but John let it go on far too long.

Also didn't like how Cecilia didn't "die" in the end (I know it implied she does but we don't get to see this comeuppance). In fact, her presumed death and Parker's were pretty tame compared to the way the others died, and they were just the subordinates.

I am guessing they are going to bring Cecilia back. I liked Saw X enough that I've been rewatching the entire series for the first time in over a decade and was reading some of the fan wiki. Apparently there is talk of doing an 11th film and bringing back Hoffman, so I could certainly see them including Cecilia in some capacity. A part of me though she was going to become one of John's disciples up until the last half of the movie.