Item: Citadel: Diana
Language: en-US
Type of Problem: Incorrect_content
Extra Details: I wonder, why the language of that poster is being edited back and forth between Italian and English, and now is locked as English? https://image.tmdb.org/t/p/original/3iYf2GHc2jA6eBH2gMXXVJIKGt0.jpg
Shouldn't it be set to Italian, since that's the original language of the series? It seems like this is an exact case for that rule "The actual language of the title is irrelevant. For example, title-only posters for the Dutch movie "Boy 7" should be set as Dutch, even though "Boy" is an English word." The rest of title-only posters are set to Italian, what makes this one different?
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Reply by Travis Bell
on October 16, 2024 at 11:15 AM
I'm not sure of this specific image (it seems as though it's back in Italian) but given that there are multiple (actual) English posters, I don't see any reason not to keep a "clean" version available in English as well.
Reply by Jim Stark
on October 16, 2024 at 1:57 PM
Well, I'm sure no one would mind that, but the moderators usually lack your flexibility and do everything strictly by the book. And by the book, all "clean" versions should belong to the original translation. Hence a lot of the shows either don't have English posters at all, despite having an English name, or don't have "clean" English posters, only something with extra texts or whatever. So maybe the rules need an update in that regard?
Reply by Banana
on October 16, 2024 at 2:18 PM
It's not only English. All the other languages that use the original title don't have a "clean" poster (ever since we were told to delete duplicate posters). I don't know English users would be happy if we started doing the opposite and moved clean English posters to different languages...
Reply by Jim Stark
on October 17, 2024 at 2:13 AM
Well, taking English as an example, I've seen more than once the situation when someone uploads a clean poster, similar to something that already exists in the original language, to English. Then the poster is moved to the original language. As a result, you have two almost identical posters in the original language, and none in English. Like this and this, or this and this. What is the advantage of that approach? The opposite is also true, when clean posters are being moved from other languages to English because English is an original language, and then English becomes flooded with almost identical posters. I'm not talking about moving English posters to other languages. I'm talking about leaving posters in non-original language when you already have something similar in the original language. I'm sure it can be formulated somehow prettier for the bible.
If you go strictly by the rules, you either do it in 100% cases with no exceptions, or you add an exception to the guidelines, explaining when it is acceptable, so everybody can take advantage of it. Otherwise, it looks quite odd, why something is allowed in one show, but not in another.
Reply by Banana
on October 17, 2024 at 2:30 AM
Ya, that's what I'm questioning because what is the exception here. And how do you justify saying no when contributors start asking for the same thing for their own language? Or do we say yes now?
Reply by Travis Bell
on October 17, 2024 at 9:28 AM
If a title on a poster matches the tagged language, it should be fine. I don’t see any reason to complicate it.
So I guess based on your comment @banana_girl, I wouldn’t worry too much about them being “duplicate”.
Reply by Jim Stark
on October 17, 2024 at 10:47 AM
Here's the exception I guess. I think you misunderstood me, I'm not asking to make an exception, it is already made by the site administrator. I merely trying to understand why, and why it can't be allowed for other shows in some regulated form.
I'm a contributor, and I'm already asking: if in this case it is allowed to have a "clean" poster added to the English translation, regardless that the policy explicitly says it should be added to the show's original language (Italian in this case), why it's not allowed in other shows? I mean, you already have a precedent that can be used to support the claim, how will you justify saying no? BTW, while looking for the examples, I noticed that many of the non-English shows actually have clean posters uploaded to the English language, and no one moves or deletes them, not even reports them, so I guess the people are fine with that.
Reply by Jim Stark
on October 17, 2024 at 10:53 AM
I'm sorry, but what you're saying is directly opposite to one of your own rules, which I mentioned above. "The actual language of the title is irrelevant". That's why it is very confusing.
Reply by Travis Bell
on October 17, 2024 at 10:55 AM
I didn't write that rule, and I am questioning it for this very reason. I was in an edit war on Citadel: Diana with a mod and I didn't know what was going on.
Reply by Jim Stark
on October 17, 2024 at 11:00 AM
I was under the impression that you're one of the people who have the power to update the rules, or at least initiate the process. Sorry if I'm mistaken.
Reply by Travis Bell
on October 17, 2024 at 11:02 AM
I can update them, but it's usually a team effort. I don't like to go and change rules without understanding and talking about it first
The moderators see 1000x more things than I do so it's important to discuss with them.
Reply by Banana
on October 17, 2024 at 7:41 PM
So should I move this "spare" naked poster to French since Joker: Folie à Deux has a French title? https://image.tmdb.org/t/p/original/uzPrjaVcobCnpZUhYaepCnjYoCo.jpg