Am I correct in thinking these things?
Logan had been made into a host and had been doing things Bernard told him to (among them were trying to get daddy Delos host to act right)
Delores is now in the host body of Charlotte and was the only host to actually leave Westworld to go out into the real world- which is exactly what Delores wanted.
(I am positive Mauve will be back.)
The end scene with Delores speaking to Bernard, and Delores and Charlotte going up the stairs- was that a mind thing (all in Bernards mind-like when he was talking to Ford on the beach?)
Did you guys catch the after credits scene? (Westworld pulled the old Marvel movie trick )
So MIB was also a host and his daughter who was also a host had been testing him in a room the same way he had been testing James Delos?
I really enjoyed the finale-glad they gave us the extra 30 minutes. What did you think of it?
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Reply by komrad
on June 26, 2018 at 4:43 PM
100% sure that the post credit scene with Black William (who's very much a host now) we see is somewhere in a pretty distant future, considering that the whole area he went down to was all covered in sand and a host playing Emily said the system is long gone now.
Reply by komrad
on June 26, 2018 at 8:27 PM
Sorry, afaik there will be no time-travel involved.
The reason we see him with same cloth and same hand injured IN THE FUTURE b/c his conscious self keeps repeating the same actions of the original Black William over and over and over to the exact same effect and circumstances. We cant tell other things like will there be another Dolores copy to put a slug bullet in his gun or not. Maybe it's a different host altogether. It's a huge tease tho. Park looks destroyed and abandoned for the most part. Some post-apocalyptic stuff. Like Dolores achieved the desctruction of mankind when she got out into the real world.
Reply by ScorpionQ2
on June 26, 2018 at 11:07 PM
@komrad said:
Thank you, Komrad.
Reply by komrad
on June 27, 2018 at 11:50 AM
The best part for me was Bernards unhinged subtle raging to certain situations b/c normally he's always super calm and collected. Like in the scene where he tells Brain Ford to "Get out of my facking head" or the scene when he shoots Dolores "This is a facking nightmare". The way he says it too while trying to hold himself back, so subtle but so good, man. Kudos to Jeffrey Wright, he really brought his A-game for this
Reply by komrad
on June 27, 2018 at 11:57 AM
Wow. Overanalyze much? I'm like 99% sure that even the writers have no clue where "the future Black William is a host now being tested by the other hosts" storyline will go, LOL. What I extrapolated from that post credit scene b/c of the same clothes and same arm injury on Black William, just trying to guess how he keeps repeating his own loop.
The writers did it just to F*CK with the audience and we all know it
Reply by ScorpionQ2
on June 27, 2018 at 10:51 PM
@komrad said:
Yes he did!
Reply by ScorpionQ2
on June 27, 2018 at 11:23 PM
@komrad said:
Yes. Always .
Reply by ScorpionQ2
on June 27, 2018 at 11:28 PM
You see?
"What did you think of it?" was my question and I wasn't asking you, but you can't even answer that without quoting what someone else said and posting links.
That is why no one else comes into Westworld threads anymore.
Reply by ScorpionQ2
on June 27, 2018 at 11:30 PM
When I want to read a long drawn out book, I read something by Stephen King.
Reply by komrad
on June 28, 2018 at 3:53 AM
Whatever you're smoking, I want some of it too, man! Hook a brother up, LOL.
Reply by ScorpionQ2
on June 28, 2018 at 6:19 AM
By YOU saying they aren't- only proves THEY ARE.
Anyone who constantly refers to them self as "one" does not know what is correct-LOONY TOONS.
You are ALWAYS making up theories from situations THAT WERE NEVER EVEN SHOWN, posing questions that WERE NEVER EVEN asked on a series in the first place.
YOU KNOW I WASN'T TALKING TO YOU. Cut the BS - ALL OF YOUR REPLIES ARE ALWAYS BOOK LENGTH.
Reply by komrad
on June 28, 2018 at 11:09 AM
His sh*t so hard to read, I give up right after the 2nd sentence, LOL. Haven't even tried and I don't suggest anyone tries. You don't wanna contract no Internet Rabies, LOL.
Reply by ScorpionQ2
on June 29, 2018 at 7:17 AM
@komrad said:
"One" is a she, and I have tried (so have others) telling her nicely but she just won't hear it.
Seriously, all that long drivel makes my head hurt.
We were actually friends here once, but she got mad because I was right about something on Twin Peaks (and she was wrong) and I pointed it out to her. She does not like to be wrong and cannot admit when she is. It's not even that serious.
I was warned about her when I first got here- but alas, I did not heed it.
Reply by ScorpionQ2
on June 29, 2018 at 8:12 AM
@Invidia said:
What are you- a fifth grader?
OMG. YEP, Your as s is
I don't know Daddieo or anyone on this board in real life ( THAT MEANS IN THE REAL WORLD , COO-COO) and vice versa.
You REALLY think because you got a comment ' like' , that means they REALLY like YOU? is a wedding imminent?
STOP playing old cat lady. I'm not trolling for dyk here.
Reply by chrisjdel
on June 30, 2018 at 5:57 AM
Hi there. It's been a while because ... well, this place is so overrun by one particular poster that it's practically unusable. I hesitate to mention the names of other forums for fear of breaching quarantine.
There are a whole slew of unanswered questions left by the finale - but I'll try to lay out some possibilities.
That wasn't a host. It was the master control system's avatar. We don't know if that's really Logan's consciousness in there, or was originally based on Logan's consciousness. He talks about Logan in the third person so I get the impression he was simply given Logan's appearance and voice, perhaps originally so that James Delos would be more comfortable interacting with him.
You can already see Felix and his friend plotting to fix Maeve and get her out of there.
Bernard put Dolores into that position so this wasn't exactly part of her plan. We can see she's pleased with the development though, like yes - this is perfect! She's now the number two at Delos. Assuming William survives with all his marbles and doesn't go to jail for shooting those security guys and his own daughter. Further assuming the daughter he shot is his actual daughter and not a host made to look like her, or a resurrected version in a host body. God this is getting complicated!
If we actually see Dolores-Charlotte (let's call her New Charlotte) out in the world next season it will conclusively scrap the post-apocalyptic theory that there's no world left out there. On the other hand, if several episodes go by and they're still evading the external world, we'll have to assume something like that is probably the case. But with multiple virtual worlds and one that is (we hope) actually real, as opposed to simulations within simulations, they're going to need longer seasons to follow all the separate plot threads. God this is getting complicated!
Who can say if he was really hallucinating Ford or not? Ford is perfectly capable of being like the Oracle in the Matrix films, telling people exactly what they need to hear even if it isn't true strictly speaking. But what does Ford really want? Is he as cynical about humanity as he often seems? Does he want the hosts to replace humans, or put themselves in charge, or is he really trying to maneuver the two sides toward peaceful coexistence? We don't know yet. He seems to keep flipping back and forth between benevolent visionary and mad scientist. Will the real Robert Ford please stand up?
No, Bernard wasn't imagining that conversation with Dolores. Whether they're out in the real world, away from the park at the actual physical location Ford's virtual hideaway was based on, or just back in that virtual hideaway again, we don't know.
So many questions about William. Was he really a host when he was digging into his own arm out in the desert? Or even before that? At the party before his wife committed suicide we saw him looking at his arm in that same spot, where the hosts have an I/O port. Has he been repeating the whole park experience over and over, from the time he walked onto Dolores' farm, shot Teddy, and dragged her into the barn, all the way to this moment? Or is he just reliving his descent into the Forge? That's very important. If he's been repeating the whole thing then all the other characters have been too. If it's just his elevator ride down then he's doing it all alone. We don't know how much time has passed in that scene. Except his daughter/host made to look like daughter/actual resurrected daughter in host body said it's been a long time, much longer than expected. So ... fifty years? A hundred? Five hundred?
That was one hell of a roller coaster ride, half of which you spent wondering what the hell is happening here?
On top of the things I already covered, what's going to happen to the Ghost Nation, Maeve's daughter, and the other hosts who went through that "dimensional rift" only they could see into the Matrix Eden? Are they stuck in a simulation running on some remote server from which they can't escape? Or distributed across the internet and potentially capable of reaching out? What is Dolores actually planning to do? What is Bernard actually planning to do? Is Ford still there somewhere? My guess on that last one would be yes. If so, what's he planning to do? God this is getting complicated!