@to Lilpoetboy.

We have been told that Star Trek Discovery is set in the Prime universe .

We have to do the maths .

The Binary Star War 2256/57

Kirk 's 5 year mission was from 2265 to 2270.

So there is still eight years before Kirk becomes captain of the Enterprise.

Spock was under Pike's command for 11 years , 4 months and 5 days ..( as we know accuracy means everything to Spock)😆

Spock instead has been on the Enterprise with Pike just under three years and 1/2 . In eight years time he will be with Kirk on the Enterprise.

I saw the last episode two days ago so I haven't had much time to thing about what could be install for us in season 2.

Going by how Sarek and Michael exchanged looks , they are expecting to see Spock .. I have a hunch we won't see him so soon. ..this distress call could turn out to be referring to something that happened to Spock and other members of Pike's crew ...maybe they have been abducted or vanished ... so only after a couple of episodes ,and with the aid of the discovery ,when the threat will be overcome and the "missing " crewmen including Spock saved , we will get to actually see Spock .

@sunshine62 said:

@to Lilpoetboy.

We have been told that Star Trek Discovery is set in the Prime universe .

We have to do the maths .

The Binary Star War 2256/57

Kirk 's 5 year mission was from 2265 to 2270.

So there is still eight years before Kirk becomes captain of the Enterprise.

Spock was under Pike's command for 11 years , 4 months and 5 days ..( as we know accuracy means everything to Spock)😆

Spock instead has been on the Enterprise with Pike just under three years and 1/2 . In eight years time he will be with Kirk on the Enterprise.

I saw the last episode two days ago so I haven't had much time to thing about what could be install for us in season 2.

Going by how Sarek and Michael exchanged looks , they are expecting to see Spock .. I have a hunch we won't see him so soon. ..this distress call could turn out to be referring to something that happened to Spock and other members of Pike's crew ...maybe they have been abducted or vanished ... so only after a couple of episodes ,and with the aid of the discovery ,when the threat will be overcome and the "missing " crewmen including Spock saved , we will get to actually see Spock .

I think you've already put more thought into this than the showrunners have.

I fully expect them to show us Young Spock smiling and cracking jokes and being the life of the party and then he gets mind-wiped or something in the last episode and he forgets he has a sister.

Also Christopher Pike is a secret Romulan spy who falls in love with Tilly, but also Stammets so it's a love triangle.

Also they encounter the Ferengi but they never actually say they're Ferengi so it's ok. And the Borg will show up in a pyramid shaped ship, but they don't mention themselves by name so again it's ok.

I also expect to see Lwaxana Troi show up through some kind of time travel shenanigans, and maybe Picard's great grandfather Jeff Picard and Dr. Noonian Soong because laziness seems to be the order of the day.

Another thing people seem to forget: Discovery was supposed to begin 10 years before TOS. But remember, The Cage (the unaired pilot, parts of which turned up in The Menagerie, parts 1 and 2) happened THITRTEEN years before TOS. So when Discovery began, Captain Pike and Spock are already on the NCC-1701 Enterprise, and have ALREADY encountered the Talosians.

by Knixon:

Another thing people seem to forget: Discovery was supposed to begin 10 years before TOS. But remember, The Cage (the unaired pilot, parts of which turned up in The Menagerie, parts 1 and 2) happened THITRTEEN years before TOS. So when Discovery began, Captain Pike and Spock are already on the NCC-1701 Enterprise, and have ALREADY encountered the Talosians.

According to memory alpha.wikia Pike encountered the Talosians (The Cage) in 2254.

The events of the episode "The Menagerie" took place in 2267.

Thirteen years had passed between the two events and only 11 years before TOS ( 2265 )...in other words Spock had been under Pike's command just under 5 months when they encountered the Talosians.

And Spock had been already under the command of Kirk for two years when he stole the Enterprise and tried to take Pike to Talos....

@sunshine62 said:

According to memory alpha.wikia Pike encountered the Talosians (The Cage) in 2254.

The events of the episode "The Menagerie" took place in 2267.

Thirteen years had passed between the two events and only 11 years before TOS ( 2265 )...in other words Spock had been under Pike's command just under 5 months when they encountered the Talosians.

And Spock had been already under the command of Kirk for two years when he stole the Enterprise and tried to take Pike to Talos....

Well, but The Menagerie was in TOS season 1. Which means that if Kirk had already been in command of the Enterprise for two years when TOS STARTED, then 3 seasons was already enough to complete their "five year mission." I'm unaware of anyone (else, besides you, I guess) who believes that.

But either way, if Discovery was supposed to begin 10 years before the SHOW of TOS begins - even if Kirk had already been in command for 2 years - that means Pike and Spock had already encountered the Talosians 3 years prior.

by Nixon:

Well, but The Menagerie was in TOS season 1. Which means that if Kirk had already been in command of the Enterprise for two years when TOS STARTED, then 3 seasons was already enough to complete their "five year mission." I'm unaware of anyone (else, besides you, I guess) who believes that.

@Me and Memory Alpha , actually.😋

Obviously if each season represented one year of the 5 year mission , we should have 5 season .. Seeing we only have three season we have no choice but to presume that the mission years overlap through the three seasons.

Season one we have years 2265-2266 ( Balance of Terror) and part of 2267 (The Menagerie)

Season two part 2267 (Amok Time) and 2268 (Journey to Babel) and (Bread and Circuses)

Season three part 2268 (Spock's Brain , The Enterprise Incident) and 2269 (All Our Yesterdays , Turnabout Intruder..)

I have never read anywhere that Kirk didn't completely his 5 year mission . The staryears as I have already mentioned ️come from Memory Alpha...

A curiosity : Balance of Terror should have been shown first seeing it happened the year before "The Menagerie "...I wouldn't be surprise there are other incorrect placed episodes.

We know for certain Spock was under Pike's command for 11 years and 4 months .(Spock never lies)😑 In 2265 Spock started serving under the command of Kirk.

So 2265 -11(and. 4 months ) brings us back to 2254 when Pike encountered the Talosians .. Spock had been only 4 months with Pike when the events of "The Cage " occurred.

If that's the timeline you want to use, then they sure didn't get much done in each year. Although that would fit better with certain "realities" that they never really followed, such as that even at warp 6, just getting to Alpha Centauri - the very closest star to us - would take a couple WEEKS. (Meanwhile, back in The Menagerie again, Spock tells Pike that Talos IV is only 6 days away at maximum warp. Ridiculous! And even if it was, does anyone believe that the court martial hearing etc, all the rest of the 2-part episode, actually took them six days? c'mon.)

And why is it somehow impossible - or just too inconvenient? - to believe that we only saw the first 3 years of 5?

Meanwhile, I'll remind you that there are people who believe that the two small seasons of The Animated Series actually constitute years 4 and 5 of the 5 year mission. (Which I also don't believe works, but that's a different story.) The Animated Series (which was later declared "canon" not that I personally care) came AFTER TOS. So if TOS was supposed to be either the last 3 years of 5, or spread out to fill 5 years, then TAS doesn't/can't exist. Since it at least arguably does exist, a different explanation is needed.

And while Spock says how long that he served with Captain Pike, it's never specified if that was all on the Enterprise or elsewhere.

Indeed, it's also possible that Spock served elsewhere for a time, and then came back to the Enterprise when Kirk took over. That's just as easy to believe as that there's somehow a 2-year gap between previous episodes and The Menagerie.

by Knixon:

If that's the timeline you want to use, then they sure didn't get much done in each year. Although that would fit better with certain "realities" that they never really followed, such as that even at warp 6, just getting to Alpha Centauri - the very closest star to us - would take a couple WEEKS.

It's the most logic and you yourself agree it would fit better with certain" realities "..space is a vast place and planets are not just around the corner. There would have been time between missions , time spent for repairs in docks , leisure time and other errands commissioned by the Federation .

Furthermore , NOWHERE does it state that Kirk didn't finish his 5 years mission ..actually in the introduction Kirk says :

Space, the final fontier

These are the voyages of the Starship Enterprise

Its FIVE YEARS MISSION

You don't want to contradict Kirk ,right?

Ultimately, to support Kirk's words , we have memory alpha that has given staryears to all the missions dating the last ,Turnabout Intruder , in 2269.

And while Spock says how long that he served with Captain Pike, it's never specified if that was all on the Enterprise or elsewhere.

@ I don't see why you are always looking for some shady alternative when the facts are avalaible and clear and easy to follow.

It's stated in many official sites that Pike handed the Enterprise over to Kirk in 2265 and that Pike encountered the Talosians in 2254 ..so if we do the maths we have 11 years . Spock said he served under Pike for 11 years and 4 months ...that means that he was under Pike already four month before the Talosian incident occurred.

So if Star Trek only had one season, you'd say that represents the whole "5 year mission" because what Kirk says must mean that whatever we see, is 5 years?

Ooookaaayyy....

So The Animated Series is what, years 6 and 7 of the 5-year mission?

Ooookaaayyy....

(Back away slowly, don't make eye contact...)

And whatever Memory Alpha etc adds later, is just retcon. nobody has to believe any of it. Their theory of show timeline doesn't really agree with what is seen in the show. And what's seen in the show has to be taken as more "real" than what any number of geeks make up later.

If Memory Alpha etc said that Kirk's middle initial was really R because that's what they showed in "Where No Man Has Gone Before," would you insist that's correct too?

@sunshine62 said:

Going by how Sarek and Michael exchanged looks , they are expecting to see Spock .. I have a hunch we won't see him so soon. ..this distress call could turn out to be referring to something that happened to Spock and other members of Pike's crew ...maybe they have been abducted or vanished ... so only after a couple of episodes ,and with the aid of the discovery ,when the threat will be overcome and the "missing " crewmen including Spock saved , we will get to actually see Spock .

That sounds just right. A family reunion seems to be in the works.

@cswood said:

I fully expect them to show us Young Spock smiling and cracking jokes and being the life of the party and then he gets mind-wiped or something in the last episode and he forgets he has a sister.

Well, he was smiling in "The Menagerie (segment shown of "The Cage")", so perhaps there were fond (childhood?) memories then.

Until he meets his sister and some sibling's rivalry and jealousy will rear its ugly head.

Did they get along as brother and sister? After their encounter, he might think that to be his father's favourite he must become more "logical" and "unemotional" then Michael.

Was she a nice sister or did she bully him, saying hateful things, so that Spock decided to "logically" ignore her and never to speak of her existence again?

Or, as I mentioned above, will there be an attempt of Michael to get Sarek and Spock back together on speaking terms followed by a possible family reunion.

Is there going to be a twist resulting in a Shakespearean tragedy? Will there be a mind meld between brother and sister?

And let's not forget what happened the last time they gave Spock a surprise sibling, we got Star Trek The Final Frontier, one of the worst Star Trek stories ever.

by Knixon:

So if Star Trek only had one season, you'd say that represents the whole "5 year mission" because what Kirk says must mean that whatever we see, is 5 years?

@ In that case they would have had Kirk say "2 years mission"

So The Animated Series is what, years 6 and 7 of the 5-year mission?

@I just recently discovered The Animated series " through Jet . I read that the series is not canon.

I guess those who considered it canon see it as the 4th and 5 th year and TOS stands for the first , second and third year of the 5 years mission.

According to Memory Alpha the first season occurred in 2269 and the shorter second season in 2270.

I personally prefer not to consider it part of TOS because it's not live action but animated.

If Memory Alpha etc said that Kirk's middle initial was really R because that's what they showed in "Where No Man Has Gone Before," would you insist that's correct too?

@No, because it is a fact that Kirk's middle name is Tiberius...someone made a mistake preparing the set and the scene could not be reshot because of the costs.

@sunshine62 said:

@ In that case they would have had Kirk say "2 years mission"

Oh please. When the show began, and when they started saying "5-year mission," they had no idea if it would even last ONE full year. Then it was "cancelled" the first time after season 2.

@I just recently discovered The Animated series " through Jet . I read that the series is not canon.

The canon status of The Animated Series has changed over time, but last I heard, it's considered canon, at least by Paramount.

@No, because it is a fact that Kirk's middle name is Tiberius...someone made a mistake preparing the set and the scene could not be reshot because of the costs.

That "fact" comes from The Animated Series. Before that, he only had the middle initial T.

by Knixon:

Oh please. When the show began, and when they started saying "5-year mission," they had no idea if it would even last ONE full year. Then it was "cancelled" the first time after season 2.

Fair enough...I'll try again..same question:

So if Star Trek only had one season, you'd say that represents the whole "5 year mission" because what Kirk says must mean that whatever we see, is 5 years?

@No... .if they had done only one season ... 30 episode...I would have come to a different conclusion....it would mean a mere 6 episodes per year ( it wouldn't make sense)...so I would have deducted that they had intented to do a 5-year mission ( like Kirk says in the introduction) but for some reason the show had been cancelled long before .

How come you could do that for 1 year, but not 3 years?

Actually, given the "Realities" of warp drive even within the show, the number of places they got to in season 1, very likely would have taken 5 years - or more - if they had followed their own rules.