@CharlesTheBold said:

"And as for being both scientifically minded and devout, Pope Francis had this to say:"

According to Wikipedia, Pope Francis is a Jesuit, the teaching order, whose members are required to be familiar with modern science.

Yeah, he was a chemist. So he's very pro-science and decreed for any anti-science movements among Catholics to stop. The focus of the Catholic Scientist is to ask, what does the findings of science mean to what is taught in the bible? Instead of outright being dismissive of it, to be critical yes, not dismissive, but isn't that the job of any good scientist? I'm devout myself and read the bible, and never saw anything that was contrary to Darwin's theories, or the theories of any other scientist really. Before anyone uses the whole "7 Days" bit, they should ask themselves, what is a day to God?

But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. - 2 Peter 3:8

Don't take that as literal, Peter wasn't trying to be, a day could mean a thousand years, a millennia, eons, or whatever. He doesn't really know other than it could be a very long time (to us that is).

@znexyish said:

Is Heinlein's "Starship Troopers" right-wing ? Is "Stranger in a Strange Land" left-wing?

What?! Heinlein wrote a story based on an Iron Maiden song? I gotta check it out. I hope it's a better attempt than when Coleridge used Maiden's Rime of the Ancient Mariner.

@Knixon said:

Why do non-religious people still use "My God" as an expression? That makes no sense now, and it makes even less sense 500 years from now. (But it was used in The Krill episode.)

Well in their defense, I say my god, or Jesus Christ etc. and I don't believe that mythology any more than the others. Except for maybe Western Neo-Baptist Reform Angelical Church of Anti-Latter Day Saints. That one seems to make sense.

It's been a lot less time-distance for you, than it has been/would be for them. And there are still a lot of religious people now. If there are supposed to be (basically) none in the Orville time, then such expressions would be totally out of place.

@Moonglum9 said:

@znexyish said:

Is Heinlein's "Starship Troopers" right-wing ? Is "Stranger in a Strange Land" left-wing?

What?! Heinlein wrote a story based on an Iron Maiden song? I gotta check it out. I hope it's a better attempt than when Coleridge used Maiden's Rime of the Ancient Mariner.

Or when Alfred Lord Tennyson used Maiden 's song "Trooper" to name a beer after http://www.ironmaidenbeer.com/

@znexyish said:

@Moonglum9 said:

@znexyish said:

Is Heinlein's "Starship Troopers" right-wing ? Is "Stranger in a Strange Land" left-wing?

What?! Heinlein wrote a story based on an Iron Maiden song? I gotta check it out. I hope it's a better attempt than when Coleridge used Maiden's Rime of the Ancient Mariner.

Or when Alfred Lord Tennyson used Maiden 's song "Trooper" to name a beer after http://www.ironmaidenbeer.com/

Now I gotta get me some of that beer. I wonder if it's available here across the pond. Even if it tastes like crap, the bottles alone make them worth having.

@Knixon said:

If there are supposed to be (basically) none in the Orville time, then such expressions would be totally out of place.

I don't think that's been established on the Orville yet (and I've shown that religion wasn't dead in Star Trek either as some have claimed). In fact, by their penchant for watching oldies Earth TV shows and movies, old religions (and slang exclamations from them) would be still very known to them even if many weren't practicing.

@Moonglum9 said:

@znexyish said:

@Moonglum9 said:

@znexyish said:

Is Heinlein's "Starship Troopers" right-wing ? Is "Stranger in a Strange Land" left-wing?

What?! Heinlein wrote a story based on an Iron Maiden song? I gotta check it out. I hope it's a better attempt than when Coleridge used Maiden's Rime of the Ancient Mariner.

Or when Alfred Lord Tennyson used Maiden 's song "Trooper" to name a beer after http://www.ironmaidenbeer.com/

Now I gotta get me some of that beer. I wonder if it's available here across the pond. Even if it tastes like crap, the bottles alone make them worth having.

You can get it in the States, just go to whatever beer store has a big wide selection and see if they have or could order it or click on the "Buy Beer" page on the site above or the contact page and ask where it is available in you area. It is decent beer. Maiden wouldn't put out something they wouldn't drink themselves.

@Innovator said:

@Knixon said:

If there are supposed to be (basically) none in the Orville time, then such expressions would be totally out of place.

I don't think that's been established on the Orville yet (and I've shown that religion wasn't dead in Star Trek either as some have claimed). In fact, by their penchant for watching oldies Earth TV shows and movies, old religions (and slang exclamations from them) would be still very known to them even if many weren't practicing.

Yes they'd know the expressions but it wouldn't make sense to use those expressions themselves. Lots of people watch old movies now, and there are lots of old people still alive too, but still nobody says "23 skidoo!" any more. For one imperfect example.

@Knixon said:

@Innovator said:

@Knixon said:

If there are supposed to be (basically) none in the Orville time, then such expressions would be totally out of place.

I don't think that's been established on the Orville yet (and I've shown that religion wasn't dead in Star Trek either as some have claimed). In fact, by their penchant for watching oldies Earth TV shows and movies, old religions (and slang exclamations from them) would be still very known to them even if many weren't practicing.

Yes they'd know the expressions but it wouldn't make sense to use those expressions themselves. Lots of people watch old movies now, and there are lots of old people still alive too, but still nobody says "23 skidoo!" any more. For one imperfect example.

That's because there's no movies that use 23 skidoo, or at least it's really rare. But people still say "swell", "snazzy", "aces", "sweet", "cool", "hot", "making whoopee", "shake a leg" and so many slang terms from the 30s and 40s (and even more so from the 50s and 60s). Why? Because modern films, music, and television are still influenced by early films, music, and television.

Must be a local thing. I can't remember the last time I heard most of those. Not in current time anyway. Maybe watching old game show episodes on youtube. And it's not like even "hot" or "snazzy" etc are only valid within a current religious belief system or even time period. For example, who ever says someone resembles a "flapper" any more? Some people still say "bless you" now when someone sneezes, but would that also continue if "nobody" was religious any more? It seems unlikely. A more valid comparison for The Orville might be if someone - especially a scientific person on the crew - still referred to someone's behavior as "Cro-Magnon" even if the existence of Cro-Magnon had been disproven centuries earlier.

@Knixon said:

For example, who ever says someone resembles a "flapper" any more?

You should see my best friend. She specifically wears only clothing from the 30s. It's her style choice and that she lives in a town that's a very small town so its her way to revel in the nostalgia of it.

Still it's not been established on the Orville that religion isn't practiced anymore. So your point is moot until it is. So far it doesn't look like that's the case. The earlier points of it being based on Star Trek so should follow the same lack of religion it has is invalid as it's simply not true, the populous in Star Trek still practiced a religion (the Bejoran's were very religious to add to my earlier examples), the show just didn't put an emphasis on any one religion.

Maybe, but the Admiral seemed to make a pretty clear statement that religion has died out in their time.

@Knixon said:

Maybe, but the Admiral seemed to make a pretty clear statement that religion has died out in their time.

Or she could just be making a stupid remark as people are apt to do. Remember this is Seth Mcfarlain, writing people making stupid remarks are his specialty. Take Brian on Family Guy who remains an adamant atheist even though the existence of God in their world has been proven time and time again with irrefutable evidence.

Well, so far we haven't seen evidence that the admiral was wrong. And it's Seth's universe, he gets to write it his way. It may be unlikely or even basically impossible that religion would die out completely, but given his setup where it supposedly has, it just doesn't make sense that people would continue to use expressions like "Oh my god." Not even while having sex.