It looked to me like they were probably trying to set up their version of Data as actually starting to have "feelings." Bad move, I'd say. it was a bad move for TNG too, whenever they started to press at it, which fortunately wasn't very often.

I actually liked it when Data was trying to have emotions, I think he was my fav character on TNG. This episode was just not funny at all. I liked the show until now because of the comedy aspect.

I just don't believe any kind of robot like that, or like Isaac, would ever have real emotions. Not real life forms, not real emotions. Simple. So all they're doing - the writers, especially - is faking, and hoping we don't notice that it doesn't make sense.

Well, anyone else think an episode about a woman who thought it was so imperative that she reproduce twice (without a father) and yet not teach the kids any manners, get stranded on a distant planet of cannibals on a show where otherwise the episodes are comical but this time just have constant bickering, out of place? I hope they turn the episodes back around to the fun loving and "interesting" kind.

Maybe it was supposed to showcase the actress's talents or something. But overall I still would say the episode was mostly just an excuse to claim that Isaac is developing "emotions," which I say is crap.

But it might have had the probably-unintended side effect of showing yet again that single-mother-by-choice is no better an idea in the 25th century than it is now. But in a more subtle way to get past "network censors" the way Roddenberry is credited for having done with TOS in the 60s. In the 60s maybe Roddenberry couldn't say "racism is wrong" so they make "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield." These days, nobody could say "intentional single motherhood is wrong" without raising all kinds of shouting, so they make "Into The Fold" and hope the message isn't TOO subtle.

There are all sorts of brats on TV ( think Arya on GAME OF THRONES, before things got dangerous and being pugnacious turned out to be a good thing). It's not limited to race or single motherhood; Unfortunately the ORVILLW bound it altogether in one episode>. From my point of view they ruined the character of the first officer by making her first appearance a cheating spouse.

@violet75 said:

Was not funny. The kids were annoying and she killed the one non cannibal? I enjoyed all the other episodes up until now. Maybe because it was just the small cast with obnoxious kids with no manners.

As a general policy, I don't like kids on space ships. Or spouses for that matter. The Orville is supposed to be a mid-size exploration ship. But then the second in command has quarters that are two levels with a spiral staircase, so what do I know.

Do any of the quarters have a spiral staircase? I know they seem to go up and down a spiral staircase to/from the bridge (maybe no ADA in the 25th century?), but when has any individual quarters been shown to be that large?

@Knixon said:

Do any of the quarters have a spiral staircase? I know they seem to go up and down a spiral staircase to/from the bridge (maybe no ADA in the 25th century?), but when has any individual quarters been shown to be that large?

In "Cupids Dagger", Ed goes to Kellys quarters. He goes in, calls for her and climbs a spiral staircase to her bedroom. (Pretty sure, I didn't record it.)

But that's one of my pet peeves. The Orville space is HUGE. I actually wonder if it isn't supposed to be some kind of joke, poking fun at the space available on the TNG Enterprise.

The Orville is supposed to be "a mid-size exploration ship. "

What exactly is the Orville's function, compared to the Enterprise? In the first episode, there were jokes that the main character didn't deserve a "better" ship. Of course the Enterprise was said to be the "flagship" of Starfleet so it was supposed to be fancier.

@CharlesTheBold said:

The Orville is supposed to be "a mid-size exploration ship. "

What exactly is the Orville's function, compared to the Enterprise? In the first episode, there were jokes that the main character didn't deserve a "better" ship. Of course the Enterprise was said to be the "flagship" of Starfleet so it was supposed to be fancier.

Don't forget, they've had visuals of the Orville next to much larger ships. In my mind, I see the Orville about the equivalent size of a destroyer. The Enterprise from TOS was the size of an aircraft carrier. (This from The Making of Star Trek.) The TNG Enterprise was easily four times larger than that.

Don't misunderstand me. I_ like_ the fact that it's a smaller ship. But the stories need to take that into account.

I liked it but it wasn't as good as previous week's episodes. Cliché as hell, but almost every show invariably utilizes the tired trope of "bratty annoying kids", so the secret is to do it with as little suckage as possible. I thought this episode did a passable job.

@Knixon said:

It looked to me like they were probably trying to set up their version of Data as actually starting to have "feelings." Bad move, I'd say. it was a bad move for TNG too, whenever they started to press at it, which fortunately wasn't very often.

I think threes one major difference between Issac and Data. Data always wanted to be more human. Issac thinks humans are inferior beings. But works with them anyways.

Seems like they have Isaac starting to "grow" too, with "Into The Fold."

I think threes one major difference between Issac and Data. Data always wanted to be more human. Issac thinks humans are inferior beings. But works with them anyways.

Sounds like my job.