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Moron at the radio station: I wish Esra would overhear this idiot so she could prosecute him for criminal stupidity to a DJ or something. He is abusing the public trust. She should be able to get him for something. I am not an attorney but he must be breaking some kind of law. "I am the police. I can push whatever button I want."

At the park waiting for the kidnapper Moron said something stupid and it shows Esra in the car with Behzat, and she is trying to keep from laughing and has to look away from the camera. I can't believe they didn't edit that out.

Of course the entire detective force is standing around out in the open waiting for the guy to show up. He would have been there early, watching from a distance. Ghost walks over behind a trailer or some kind of temporary building structure. Time to hide, I guess. Like he would not already know they were there. He told them, and all of Ankara, he would be there to see the dead guy. That place would have been swarming with onlookers.

Manwhore DJ drags his rapist friend from the van. Kidnapper looks on from a distance. and sees the rapist get up and run away.

Everyone tries to talk sense to Moron, but that is about impossible. He tells his dad, "Anyone will do, I'm bored, I'm depressed, I need to get married. " That won't fix it, you moron. One proof of his stupidity is how completely resistant he is to good advice. Despite his perfect track record of fucking things up when he acts on his own, he cannot understand that what seems right or good to him is always the worst and most wrong thing to do.

And, as you noticed, that is not the same 'dad' that went crazy and stole that bus. Something must have happened to that guy, maybe he died or something and they had to find a replacement.

Moron tells his mother he doesn't want to meet his finace because she is a stranger and he is shy. He says he will get to know her after he marries her. Meliha wants to meet him though, so he agrees to meet her. She has some sense, it appears, and doesn't want to marry him before meeting him. He is just beyond stupid. I need to take another break from Behzat for a little while.

Yes - the sons in this series seem to think they rule the household - there's Urine bashing in Beserks head with a rock and threatening a grown man - a cop to boot - to stay away from his mother or else - then he goes off and brings his father back in an attempt to either reunite them or present an united front to her and she just says "You hurt me" then pets him and feeds him orange segments. Look at Reststop - what does he do when he thinks his parents are breaking up - he manipulates them by acting out. Now the meatball boy thinks it is perfectly ok to kill any man who looks at his single mother. How can it be acceptable for a child to dominate a grown woman just because he is male? What a Godawful culture to live in if you are a woman - and yet I suppose if you are brought up in it - it seems perfectly fine. I have watched documentaries about women in repressive cultures and some of them are really ok with it - worse than the men - that is something I cannot understand. I get tired of their only method of interrogation - go to the room - sit on one chair at a table with a packet of snacks on it - nothing on the side of the suspect - no recording of the interview sound or video. First question - "Why did you kill him - you saw him talking to your wife didn't you and so you waited until it got dark then you followed him and stabbed him didn't you - tell me the truth - thwack - that's what happened isn't it?" To which the suspect replies "No Sir - I swear to God if wasn't me" gobble gobble spit crumbs thwack "Yes it was - confess" thwack. This is Moron's preferred method - Beserk says the same things but prefers slapping faces and headbutting. It makes me cringe when people head butt each other - I can't understand why they don't both knock themselves out. Now we have Cevdet and Selim going to the library to check out esoteric books because a female murder victim has a tattoo of the devil on her neck. Beserk takes one look at the pile of thick books and says "Ok - read them all - and give me a summary of each one". That will probably take a couple of weeks at least - maybe with Selim a couple of years - these guys are supposed to be working on a murder enquiry - it is probably meant to be taken as a comedic moment - but you never know with this show. I am waiting for the explosion of fat and flesh when Moron finds out that Cevdet is dating his sister - yet another son who dominates the females in the household. These Turkish names are all so similar - I have forgotten what Beserks brother is called - ah - re read your post Sevket - anyway he has cheated on his wife - and has given a huge donation to charity so now he thinks everything is fine again. I tell you the mind workings of these people are beyond me.

I have just read an interesting item of news - The first sexually transmitted case of Dengue has been discovered in Spain - in a gay male couple. Let's hope it doesn't go the same route as AIDS - it would be much harder to deny that it was not a gay plague if it does. Back to Beserk - your first post arrived late. I have only just seen it. Yes - that guy getting up and running away was ridiculous - as was the way they "hide" I know that we have got to see them but they pop out from behind trees and walls and take pictures in full view of their targets - they park in cars ten feet away from the house or car they are watching and the baddies look up and down the street but never see them. They get shot at from feet away but never sustain a serious injury. And that guy in the hospital - he couldn't kill his best mate so he shoots him in the leg - his wife has a go with a knife - but she couldn't kill him either - if it was my daughter he would be bits in a suitcase. I don't understand why Moron is allowed so much leeway - he is not of a very high rank and Beserk should rein him in more than he does. He knows how childish and immature he is - how unfit - how petulant. He is not fit to be second in command.

Dengue is spread by mosquitoes. I wonder how they managed to do it sexually. An infected gerbil? Some practices are just too strange to contemplate.

I watched some of Ezel last night. I had one of those nights when I slept fitfully so watched a bit of TV. When my eyes closed as I waited to drift off again, I could still follow the story from the sound. It has been a while so I don't recall all of it.

With Behzat I have started fast forwarding a bit more now. When I get to some of the retread scenes of Moron shouting or acting childish I skip forward. I think I will find a comfortable position and coast through episode 29 this morning.

Where are you now? I still have not seen Moron's fiance yet. I wonder how perceptive she is, if she will realize she is engaged to a man-child. Will Moron start giggling and mumbling 'boobies' or something? don't tell me. That should be an interesting segment.

That culture and ideology are a real problem, I think. A girl may meet a very nice man from a Muslim country, he may treat her very well and provide for her very well. But there is still that teaching he grew up with. Should there come some arguments or issues in the marriage, and I think even the best marriages have them at times, she will run into a set of beliefs and attitudes which may startle her, and which may not sit well with her at all. At that point, if she has had any feminist indoctrination and challenges him in the wrong way, things could turn ugly very quickly. When two cultures are as fundamentally different regarding human rights and the dignity and equality of women as those of the western world and the middle eastern or Muslim world, it is risky, to say the least, for a western woman to marry a middle eastern man. It can happen successfully, but both parties should be thoroughly aware, and informed, well prior to getting engaged. In the PC western culture of today, a frank and thorough examination of the relevant cultural issues and differences is nearly impossible. To point out, for example, the Islamic teachings about the practice of husbands beating wives is labeled 'hate speech' in some countries. In fact, you may not even share a video of a Muslim Imam discussing the issue. The whole "politically correct censorship" of ideas, thoughts, quotations, or comments about Islam, or Muslim culture and traditional values, etc. has become outrageous. To the western liberal, it seems it is presently much more important to censor "un-PC" speech than it is to protect the rights, and the lives, of the women they claim to champion.

Yes, the homicide bureau's standard m.o. for interrogating suspects is like a parody of prejudicial, illegal, and inept police work. In one scene, Moron lazily laid on his side along the table in the room and repeatedly kicked a suspect in the back of the head, while Berserk asked the questions. They will haul just about anyone in for interrogation, having no evidence or information to suggest that they may even know anything about the crime, much less have something to do with it. And the process is pretty much the same, as you noted.

"Alright, you saw the victim at the market on Wednesday, squeezing melons to see how firm they were, and this made you angry, so you killed him, didn't you? Tell me, how did you kill him?"

"Please sir, I didn't kill anyone". ...

SLAP- "I'll fuck you in the mouth!, Confess!"

(and Moron chimes in "Yes, Confess!" That is about the extent of his expertise)

And nobody ever sues the department for police brutality, and none of their testimony is ever ruled inadmissible due to it being given under coercion and fear of great bodily harm.

I am also looking forward to the day Moron finds out his sister (Asli?) has been talking to Cevdet. Family honor is the excuse, but Moron just seems to enjoy the status he has as a male who has authority over his sister. And in that screwed up culture, he could lose respect among other idiots who believe speaking words is a shameful act, no matter how polite is the speaker, or how innocent and benign is their message and intent. It doesn't seem to make any difference if the male is functionally retarded, the sister must be submissive and obedient to the idiot brother. Even if Moron's parents express their permission and blessing on Asli and Cevdet talking and getting to know each other, Moron will still go ballistic. And based on what we have seen so far, his parents won't make him back off or leave the two alone. They won't tell him it is none of his business, or that the decision rests with the parents and that Moron doesn't get a say in the matter. They will tacitly recognize his right to treat his sister like a slave.

I am predicting that Moron will slap or otherwise strike Cevdet when he learns about his sister.

I would really appreciate it if the Turks could choose some easier names in these TV shows.

The names all sound so similar - Zelim - Selim - Selami - Cevdet - Sevret - etc etc. I fast forward too - especially if the story is not very interesting - I have just watched ep 30 and it wasn't a bad story - things happened in this episode which I will not spoil for you. Personal developments - love is in the air. I have to say I am beginning to feel sorry for Moron - he is in a bad way. Won't say anymore until you watch this episode - let me know when you have.

'Even some Old Testament names would help. Most people are familiar enough with them that it would help, Abraham, Isaac Jacob, Cain and abel, Adam, Ezekial (EZ) would work, and Sarah, Leah, Rebekkah, Ruth, etc. Or give us some English names for the English dubbed market.

I am joking a little bit, but not completely.

By the way, do you notice how frequently one of these guys insists that people throw out the rules for them since they are the police. Cevdet doesn't want to bother with checking books out of the library, he just wants to take them. "We are the police, we need these for an investigation" he tells the guy. Translation: ' Hey, we're the cops, we don't have to abide by the laws like the rest of you guys.' (And don't forget people, we can beat the hell out of you without consequence, so long as we don't put you in a coma. We're the cops. We can get away with the same crap we arrest you for doing.) Cevdet, being among the more reasonable among the group, went ahead and became a member of the library so he could check the books out. Moron would have told them he was a cop and he was taking the books.

I doubt if Moron has ever been inside a library - unless there was a snack bar in the foyer. He wouldn't have taken the books - they are inedible and he probably can't read anyway - he would have told Beserk that the library had run out of them. And what is it with that white board? Have they been watching "House"? They never learn anything from it that they didn't know already - I haven't seen one major conclusion drawn from that board. Have you seen the bit where Beserk goes to meet Mehmut (Excrement's fixer buddy) I thought it was funny although it wasn't supposed to be. I guess I have a strange sense of humour. I missed a lot of Ep 32 (I think) I didn't sleep well last night - I woke up at 4.30am and couldn't get back to sleep - so I fell asleep at various points of it. I think I may watch some episodes of "Spiral" that I have taped. Maybe that will keep me awake !!

I saw Berserk and Mehmut. Mehmut denied helping Excrement escape, and spoke of his military service, looking for common ground. Berserk never goes into these meetings armed with any knowledge with which to trip up the other person, the way lawyers do when they ask questions they already know the answers to. Berserk's strategy is to threaten to "fuck you in the mouth", and hope that scares them into revealing something. It's the same with Berserk's allegations against people; he never has evidence or facts to support him. He has his hunches and he expects the prosecutor to get convictions based on those hunches. When she is unable to (since the courts go by laws), Berserk feels betrayed. If she were on his side she wouldn't insist on proof of guilt, she would just have them jailed.

Moron is meeting his fiance now. He thinks it's a good idea for them to introduce themselves to each other. Brilliant idea, I'm sure she was impressed with such a novel idea. Moron thinks it necessary to tell her he is single. She is sitting there taking it all in, not saying anything, but I'm sure the wheels are turning in her head. Don't you think she must be thinking "I'm sure I can do better than this."?

She is an attractive lady. How is it that she got matched up with Moron? I mean it, honestly, I am sure there would be a lot of men who would ask her dad for her hand just based on looks alone. Watching her face she isn't giving much away, well trained enough not to give any facial indication of what a dunce she is calculating him to be. Maybe she is trying to keep from cracking up laughing and that accounts for her maintaining such tight control over her expressions. The more he talks, the worse it gets. Mehlia is going to have a heart to heart with her parents and insist that they do a better job of vetting the various marriage candidates. Sure, it was good for a laugh, but it wastes weeks of time having to weed out the bumbling, pudgy, dumbasses like Moron.

Perhaps she will write an anonymous letter to the editor on the need to give IQ tests to potential police officers, something which was not done in Moron's case.

Moron feels it is appropriate to tell her about the Russian blond nightclub grifter girlfriend, indicating poor decision making on several levels.

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I'm noticing a definite change in the show now. Moron is acting more responsible, and Cevdet is acting like a normal person instead of a spineless tea boy. I wonder if this will be a new direction for the show going forward. I hope so. The "Hansel and Gretyl" and Moron show was getting pretty worn out.

Selim needs to take a personal inventory of the way he treats others. It is much better for him to show consideration of others going forward because he became self aware of the need to do so than if that change is forced upon him. He will get much more credit from others if he does it himself.

In case you think I am weird I was referring to when Beserk drives out into the middle of a field in the middle of the night and confronts Mehmut with a gun. Silly Billy !!

@strangebedfellows said:

In case you think I am weird I was referring to when Beserk drives out into the middle of a field in the middle of the night and confronts Mehmut with a gun. Silly Billy !!

No, I have not seen that yet. Still working my way through 29. I had to take a nap today, didn't sleep well last night. One of those nights. Will sleep well tonight though.

I hope you sleep well - there is nothing more debilitating than lack of sleep - I am hoping I get a good nights sleep as well. I have begun watching "Spiral" and it is as good as ever. I usually watch Beserk during the early evening and Spiral a bit later. I'll wait for you to catch up because there are some interesting developments to chat about. Sleep tight!!

@strangebedfellows said:

I hope you sleep well - there is nothing more debilitating than lack of sleep - I am hoping I get a good nights sleep as well. I have begun watching "Spiral" and it is as good as ever. I usually watch Beserk during the early evening and Spiral a bit later. I'll wait for you to catch up because there are some interesting developments to chat about. Sleep tight!!

Wow, I see it has 8 seasons listed on IMDB. I will have to search for that one as well.

final thoughts on episode 29

These guys are technically naive. Ghost didn't know what the guy meant when he said he could burn a CD. He hesitated, and then said "oh, yeah, go ahead" and watched what he did.

Well, Moron isn't totally stupid, he told his mom that his fiance is beautiful and nice to talk to. I thought the girl wasn't domineering. She couched her words carefully, saying she would prefer no alcohol in the home. Moron tested the waters asking, what if you opened the refrigerator and there was a beer there? (What the hell? Did he think she wouldn't realize that beer is alcoholic, or that if he asked again she might change her mind?) And she said "I would prefer not" or something like that. I took notice that she was stating her preference, not making a demand. And she didn't appear to be cagey about it. She seemed quite straightforward and honest in her manner.

I guess it must have been her parents who lied about her having a degree and working at a bank. Mehlia spoke plainly and didn't act as though she had said anything other than what she told him. So I am thinking her parents tried to pad her resume, not her. Moron would be very wise to go forward with this, provided he will change and become more responsible. It would be a shame for the sake of the girl if he didn't. It really would be awful to ruin her life.

Moron's mother is really pushing this marriage. She wanted to call and tell them the marriage is on after the one conversation. Now Moron wants to talk to her a second time before making a decision. I get that people there are used to this type of arrangement, and that people can grow into love, though it still seems so foreign to me to marry someone you have only met once. I have heard that love happens in arranged marriages (though not always, of course). In some respects I can see the utility and even perhaps the wisdom of the system. The two people go into the marriage understanding that they will have to work at it, get to know each other, show each other respect, be nice to each other and give it a chance for happiness. An advantage to it would be that the son wouldn't run off with the first stripper to stir his lust and make him think he was in love, as sometimes happens with idiots like Moron. I think a downside is that sometimes a son or daughter will meet and fall in love with someone other than the arranged partner, and in the case of a daughter, the family may force her into the arranged marriage. I gather that in Turkey, each party has the right of refusal; both of them must be satisfied with the other before it can go forward. Someone like Moron should be enrolled in classes on "consideration of others", "responsibility for your finances, your mistakes, and whatever happens to you", "delay of gratification", and probably many others. I don't know that there are such classes, or that Moron would actually pay attention or believe that he needed them. But it would be a good thing if they had classes like that, and if Moron were forced to take them, and pass them.

Whiteboard: they seem to be using the whiteboard to some extent to simply make sure everyone on the team understands who the players are and what their relationships are. And then hopefully they can brainstorm the case together. Berserk put Cevdet on the board to explain the case as understood up to that point and graded him on his work. I guess with the various members of the team working on different assignments, they don't all have all the information. It is a chance for them to put all they have learned on the board for the whole "class" to see, to bring everyone up to speed on all aspects of the case. At least, in theory I think that is the idea. They never seem to do more than list the people they know about and a bit about their relationships. And Cevdet left out two of them.

As a practical matter for the show, it is also a chance to try to let the audience know what is going on. Maybe that is one reason they keep it simple. With all the nonsense in the show, the case gets little actual airtime.

I hope I didn't speak too soon about Moron beginning to act more serious, more responsible. I probably shouldn't expect miracles on that score. But it would be nice to see improvement. His petulant, whiny, lazy, slovenly, repulsiveness has been difficult for me to stomach.

Selim is whining now that he feels excluded from the others since he got engaged. He should grow up and stop being childish. He has been spending more time with Eda since the engagement, hasn't he? So he has in effect been excluding himself from the others to the extent that he spends more time with her. He can't have it both ways. It is immature of him to whine that he is being excluded. Ghost is right to tell him to shut up. Selim insulted Cevdet within the last day. I can understand if Cevdet excludes him. Eda heard it and sided with Cevdet. I see trouble brewing in paradise. If Selim doesn't learn to change himself, to consider others, to respect others, and to own what happens in his life instead of blaming others for it, she will get fed up with him. Selim is posturing as the "offended one". When Ghost criticizes him and defends his friends, Selim could react in one of two ways: he could listen to Ghost and consider his point of view, or, he could act offended by what Ghost said, and posture as a victim. He chose the latter. He is emotionally immature. And that spells trouble for any relationship. Eda moved too fast, was conned by Selim when he put on his good face to win her back. There is still time to get out of this Eda. Selim is creating problems for himself. He told Ghost, "you want me to go, right?" Ghost said "is that what I said to you?" Selim: "I wouldn't expect it of you. You want me to go, as well." Ghost: "Selim! Fuck off. OK? Fuck off." Selim: "See, nobody wants me." Boo hoo, you little shit. It's a self fulfilling prophesy. If they were not excluding you before, they are going to start now.

I had a feeling Selim was going to start showing his ass. Moron is a child, though improving. But Selim is a whiner. I keep going back to him cheating on Eda when he didn't think she was paying enough attention to him. Damn. If she isn't paying attention to you, then something is going on in her life that demands her attention, or you're not doing your job of paying attention to her. The answer is either case is to do a better job of loving her, not to sneak off with another girl. Eda deserves better.

When the case is solved and Cem confesses to killing his cousin (she wouldn't marry him) he told how he told her she would no longer work where she did or see the people who were her friends. They argued, and "she said stupid things". He tried to shut her up, "but it didn't work, so I strangled her."

"It wasn't my fault. I warned her many times."

Think about that reasoning. His cousin didn't obey him, so it isn't his fault that he murdered her. Cem is kind of like that kid Urine. He has that shortened down, adult in a child body, inbred look to him. Those people tend to have anger issues. The inbreeding, combined with that culture where anger is respected, and honor must be preserved through murder, leads to a lot of senseless violence. The reasoning this idiot presented is so bizarre that it would be funny if it were not so tragic. It is a fictional case, but it represents the kind of cases one finds in that culture.

I just lost a massive post because of this damn site. I am really annoyed. I was saying that although this show is definitely anti muslim inasmuch as the keystone cops never nod understandingly at these cases - they scream abuse at the perpetrators and beat the living daylights out of them - but that is where it stops - in the police station - you never see these people being sent to jail or punished in any other way. We do see a woman (Feride) put in prison though. This show is highly critical of their culture and reveals just how medieval their system is. Arranged marriages have pros and cons I suppose - but in my view it is merely a means of empowering families with cash or land - hence the dowry tradition. Where is the love a parent should feel for their daughters - how can they virtually sell her to a stranger who has the right to rape beat or kill her if he feels the inclination - or if he wants to remarry somebody prettier or richer - or if she is barren or he is and he blames her for it which is the usual first resort of these monsters. He knows he can do it and her parents do too - yet they can't wait to push her into it. In 1994 the very first British lottery was won by a Saudi couple - both doctors - they had been married about six years (can't recall exactly) within weeks they were divorced. So that kind of supports my reasoning about arranged marriages. Back to Beserk - one of the gang has seen Selim flirting again. In fairness to Selim - I don't think Eda is actually sleeping with him - and this could go on for months or years - he needs to have his ego stroked and if he only flirts and does nothing else then I can't really get too mad at him. He is a nice looking fellow so girls will be attracted to him - it's how he deals with it that counts. In any case I can't see Eda marrying him for some reason. I think Moron will marry Meliha - I think he will fall in love with her and forget Eda - maybe when he finds his own happiness he will let his sister find hers. I think Moron's mother wants him out of the house before the rest of them starve to death. Even in crime scenes the first place he goes to is the fridge. A psychologist might say he is trying to fill the hole in his heart - I think he's just a greedy pig! Never mind - Meliha will have him on one carrot a day and a drink of water before you can say kebab. Who is this mysterious woman who keeps calling Vulture out of the blackness! ? By the way I fell asleep and when I woke up Bahar was with her kids on a train - what happened there? I am assuming she is going to look after her ex-husband or hiding from Excrement. Beserk shed a tear but then probably his clothing when Resa turned up. I had a much better night last night - I hope you did too.