Yeah and nobody is buying that anymore

I don't care what the Canon Extremists say, I really like Star Trek Picard. It's definitely not your Father's Star Trek, but it's enjoyable to me.

Just because reviewers on YouTube don't like a thing doesn't mean they didn't watch it otherwise why would they notice small things that aren't in the discriptions you read and besides that you haven't watched Picard yourself so how can you know whether they are right or wrong.If I am biased you certainly are biased as well.But hey let's not spend too many words on Picard because too many have already been spend you like it and will probably watch it on the basis from what you have heard or seen and I am not going to watch it(certainly if one has to pay for it and I already pay for STD via Netflix and that is all the money CBS is going to get from me)on the basis from what I have heard or seen.And that is fine by me.

Maybe

No I agree its a fun show if you turn off your brain and realize it is not star trek

@Invidia said:

If you TURN OFF YOUR BRAIN and PRETEND it's not TREK then you won't know who PICARD is, or who 7 of 9 is or why she CRIES over the death of ICHEB, or who HUGH is, or who DATA is, or who DEANNA and RIKER are, or know what the BORG are, etc. etc. etc.

Thus making you nothing more than another SOUR PUSS who should have their GOOFY OPINIONS IGNORED.

LMAO the writers have no idea who those characters are lol and I said "realize" not "pretend" because there is no pretending that this is actually star trek lol

@Invidia said:

In addition to being a SILLY SOUR PUSS

You're also a SOUR GRAPE as well due to the way the REVIEWS this episode has gotten have been so POSITIVE.

And that also means no one who has any GOOD SENSE around here AGREES with you or with what you have to say.

So basically we are going to go the Disney Wars route for this if you dont like this you must be either a racist or a man baby instead of being an actual fan of what Star Trek use to be before we got Star Trek for the ADHD crowd?

Well. well a thread that starts with an appeal for POSITIVE POSTS quickly descends into partisan bickering with the 'usual suspects' bringing in their favorite gripes with, I might add, complete disregard for the TRUTH. First, Sir Patrick Stewart is still a British citizen:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Stewart

I agree that there is a definite divide in ST "fans" but I see it as being between those who love ONLY the OLD TREK and don't want to see anything else AND those who are willing to give the NEW TREK shows a chance . The Old Trek is a snap shot in time: first the 60's then the 70s thru to the turn of the century. If you look carefully you will see that even those Trek shows exhibited a gradual movement towards even further inclusion, towards realism and embraced the issues and technology of the day. After ENT stopped airing in 2005 was a hiatus in ST series until only 3 years ago when DSC first aired.

Some fans like to look at all the versions of ST as ONE continuum, I prefer to separate the films from the series because they were stand alone and because some of them established a separate KELVIN timeline.

However throughout it all, each iteration of ST has sort to present a view of mankind as PROGRESSING: in science; in thought; in understanding our place in the universe. Each Trek has also, to varying degrees, tried to address some of the pressing social problems humans face in each particular time. This is the beauty of all Trek. That ST is in essence a "moving target", never something that is static. In the words of Gene Roddenberry's son in a recent Ready Room interview, ST should always try to show "mankind getting better".

For some 'fans' merely intimating a homosexual relationship among ST officers is ENOUGH. Actually seeing the reality of such a relationship is a bridge too far or " in your face". For some 'fans' one black female on the bridge in a flat, narrow presentation is ENOUGH. Showing such a character in a fuller dimension as a human with family; human characteristics, virtues and faults is TOO MUCH; making her the protagonist of the show is absolute HERESY....especially when you don't have any of the archetypal "heroes" anywhere in sight! For some 'fans' the New Trek doesn't resemble the Old Trek enough in the ways they think matter most, therefore it is completely WRONG. They forget that the reason ST was ST in the 1960s was PRECISELY because it didn't look like the cookie cutter idealism of it's day. Because ST pushed the envelope...for that day...what, a Russian; Chinese and American working together on one bridge with a common caused? This was with the cold war raging and the Cuban missile crises in the rear view mirror!

These New Trek detractors want to criticize and dislike the New Trek because it doesn't present the neat idealism of the past. Star Trek is STILL presenting the future of mankind....only this time it is MESSY! The idealized, money (less) society Roddenberry envisioned where all human basic needs were met and so commerce was not a priority is gone. I sympathize but what these people should consider is WHY has the future become so less idealized in ST? Perhaps it is because 50 plus years from R's dream mankind HASN'T progress enough toward this Utopia to make forgetting certain issues REALISTIC. Perhaps , in some ways, mankind has taken some steps backwards? Or perhaps R's original dream was too different from our essential human nature to be REALISTIC. If so, what then is the REALISTIC view of humanity? Could we perhaps turn on artificial life forms or other life forms we fear ( due to not understanding) if our own existence is sufficiently threatened? (Picard) Would the Federation consider genocide if sufficiently threatened? (Discovery) I suggest these issues would not be the ones the New Trek seeks to explore if CONTEMPORARY human history did not suggest these possibilities! How responsive are we (humans) to the obvious destruction of the very elements that make our own survival on this planet possible? These were NOT existential threat in R's day. If they were we would have had a different Trek. But they are EXISTENTIAL threat today!!!

In fairness R's TOS focused on the lives of Federation officers as they journeyed through space, so perhaps we ONLY saw a regimented slice of future humanity. However these characters were people who would eventually retire; or quit because of disillusionment; perhaps get kicked out; or just not make it in a regimented ST. What is wrong with exploring their lives instead? Nothing. Unless all you want is the fairy tale in which case I would recommend The Orville. If you can get past the humor, racism and sexism you will see your fairy tale where mankind treats alien races they encounter with the condescension that comes from the out dated notion that WE are the center of the universe; capable of outwitting EVERY alien race we will encounter.

Go ahead, keep your head in the sand!

@Thespear
You must have some kind of tracking signal that lets you know about these anti picard-ites. At least Nex, Knixon, and Invidia post on all sorts of other subjects. I won't even ask how The Orville is racist and sexist, well just "ist. What else interests you besides this?

One supposes that all ends up well on Picard. I read that DSC is having another season or two. I think that the main difference is that the new trek shows stream and to much larger audiences and don't have to depend on single episodes or the older model to work. Picard has been described as a 10 hour movie so that again makes it a whole different animal then the old Trek. It's the difference between apples and oranges (or Gagh and Earl Grey Hot in Trek terms). Finally Rod isn't Gene. He just shares last name.

This whole crock of crap is so tiresome.

Look, HuMANity still has MAN in it. So you're awful too! Neener!

SSDD MCSE 😆

@Invidia said:

And AT NO TIME do you EVER HEAR him saying anything about MANKIND (which is also an OUTDATED SEXIST way that was previously used whenever others use to refer to HUMAN KIND).

Well, whaddaya know! HuMAN kind contains Man too! Ergo, You're awful! Neener!

So we now have to address things with Thingkind and Huwhatever.This is what I meant with the absurdity of the whole New PC culture and for what?Some loud mouthed entitled snowflakes on Twitter and people find it odd when the masses vote for populists during elections. 😁😁

@Nexus71 said:

SSDD MCSE 😆

Spock Sings Data Dances

McCoy Crashes Starship Enterprise

No same shit different day from the movie Dreamcatcher