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Item: The Missing Piece (1x8)

Language: en-US

Type of Problem: Incorrect_content

Extra Details: Wrong Air Date. This show is released digitally at 12am on Friday mornings (as is The Morning Show, also incorrect for this week's ep), there's no such thing as 12am Thursday night. All other episodes reflect this Friday release except for S01E08.

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@NYSNDGUY said:

This show is released digitally at 12am on Friday mornings (as is The Morning Show, also incorrect for this week's ep), there's no such thing as 12am Thursday night.

12am on Friday is the theory. Sometimes the episodes are available before that time and, in that case, we are still Thursday evening. The date have been modified by raze464 for that reason.

All other episodes reflect this Friday release except for S01E08.

This was already the case for the episodes 5 and 6.

@superboy97 said:

12am on Friday is the theory. Sometimes the episodes are available before that time and, in that case, we are still Thursday evening. The date have been modified by raze464 for that reason.

12am Friday is not theory, it is the official release date. As a site who's API is used to populate other sites and services, you have a duty to enforce accuracy and consistency. I don't know who raze464 is but, unless they work for AppleTV+, they have no authority over the release date of an episode.

When a site like Trakt.tv imports the TV schedule for a Thursday using the TMDB API, it should not be displaying that The Morning Show and Foundation as having aired or been released before the actual Thursday network television broadcast of Young Sheldon. You're inaction has a greater effect than simply a date field on your own site. Even if it did only effect your site, you should still take some pride in what you do as a Mod and assert some degree of care for the data you are custodian of.

This was already the case for the episodes 5 and 6.

Just because you've been permitting people to do something wrong in the past doesn't mean you should continue allowing them to do so once it's pointed out that it's a problem and wrong. I can tell you that the dates originally entered for those episodes was the Friday, and then they too were changed incorrectly to the prior Thursday's date. No responsible contributor who helps support this site has entered the bogus Thursday date when originally adding the ep.

@NYSNDGUY I'm the moderator that changed the date for this episode so I can offer an explanation if you are unsatisfied:

This episode, along with everything scheduled for Friday, Nov. 5, 2021, was released on Thursday, Nov. 4, 2021 at 9pm ET. I know this because I was curious if the Oct. 14 and 21 Thursday releases were tied to anything in particular or if Apple had changed their release strategy so I had set reminders to check the Apple TV+ site every hour from 7pm ET until 12am ET to verify when the episode was released. The episode was not available at 7pm ET nor was it available at 8pm ET, but it was at 9pm ET, along with everything else scheduled for Friday, Nov. 5, 2021. In this week's case, it was likely due to the first 3 episode of the final season of Dickinson being released in the US on Thursday, Nov. 4 at 9pm ET, per these tweets from Hailee Steinfeld and Alena Smith.

If you are curious, the Oct. 14 date was likely because of the See Season 2 finale, since their official Twitter account was promoting the season finale as airing "tonight" on Oct. 14 and the Oct. 21 date was likely due to the Invasion series premiere, a similar event to the Sept. 23, 2021 date where everything scheduled for Friday, Sept. 24, 2021 was released on Thursday due to the Foundation series premiere.

This is no different than US-based Amazon Prime Video shows on TMDb having having a Thursday release date because of their release schedule when Amazon themselves promote the shows as releasing on Fridays

The airtime for shows on Trakt used to (maybe it still does?) come from TheTVDB and there is no way to set an individual episode's airtime on their site; it's set at the series level. And there's no way to set an airtime at all on TMDb.

@raze464 said:

This episode, along with everything scheduled for Friday, Nov. 5, 2021, was released on Thursday, Nov. 4, 2021 at 9pm ET. I know this because I was curious if the Oct. 14 and 21 Thursday releases were tied to anything in particular or if Apple had changed their release strategy so I had set reminders to check the Apple TV+ site every hour from 7pm ET until 12am ET to verify when the episode was released. The episode was not available at 7pm ET nor was it available at 8pm ET, but it was at 9pm ET, along with everything else scheduled for Friday, Nov. 5, 2021. In this week's case, it was likely due to the first 3 episode of the final season of Dickinson being released in the US on Thursday, Nov. 4 at 9pm ET, per these tweets from Hailee Steinfeld and Alena Smith.

So is it site policy to use the first actual availability in place of official air date? This seems like an incredibly reckless door to open.

The airtime for shows on Trakt used to (maybe it still does?) come from TheTVDB and there is no way to set an individual episode's airtime on their site; it's set at the series level. And there's no way to set an airtime at all on TMDb.

You guys should be aware of the fact that several months ago Trakt switched it's primary sourcing for all television and movies to TMDb. They didn't reach a licensing agreement with TVDB when TVDB implemented their latest API changes, and have been transitioning all older series to TMDb since that time while defaulting to TMDb for all newly imported series.

@NYSNDGUY said:

So is it site policy to use the first actual availability in place of official air date?

Unless it's a digital preview, yes.

You guys should be aware of the fact that several months ago Trakt switched it's primary sourcing for all television and movies to TMDb.

Movie info already came from TMDb but yes, I am aware; I'm sure other moderators are aware, too.

I added the parenthetical because I wasn't sure how they were getting the airtime but I just looked it up and, according to Trakt's TV Show Metadata article, it's now coming from TVMaze. I looked up Foundation on the TVMaze website and it has a day but no time next to "Schedule" in the "Show Info" box, unlike Chicago P.D., which has a day and time. I'm assuming that having no time just defaults to 12am, which is why Trakt says the episode was released at 12am on Thursday.

Per-episode airtime is possible on TVMaze (example 1 and 2) but it doesn't seem to sync with Trakt (example 1 and 2). It looks like Trakt is still just getting the airtime on a series level instead of on an episode level.

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