I think I was watching a flashback and didn't realize it when Serhat was talking to his police boss. Now the flashback is on Serhat taking Merve to her engagement party to psycho Erhat. It is obvious that Merve had secret feelings for Serhat based on her reaction to his apparent death. I thought the cutting of the ribbon to signify their union was a bit odd. It looked more like a symbol of separation than union to me. I guess I missed Ismail's explanation Sometimes the text disappears before I read it. I have to wear glasses now to read the television and see the eyes clearly. I've been needing reading glasses for a few years now.

Present time: Merve is looking wistfully at her wedding album pictures and thinking of Serhat, presumably, and what he said to her then. Serhat is now getting intel on Erhat's dad Sari Erol, his plans to start a side business the boss doesn't know about. Erhat's dad will be the next target. Now they learn that Erhat's dad has decided to go into the drug business on the side, and that Ismail Ali is old school and doesn't want his gang in the drug trade. So it's clear how they will turn those two against each other.

mustache. At first I thought it was crazy that Serhat was shot in the back and then buried still alive, and it must have taken 10 minutes for them to shovel all that dirt on top of him and plant the roses, plus crazy Dadayli had to wait until the bad guys left and then go find his grave and dig him out by hand. Let's say he was really fast at that and it only took another 10 minutes, so Serhat was buried alive for 20 minutes. He should have been dead, or at least suffered brain damage from so long without oxygen. But then I remembered that great big mustache, and a theory began to form. It formed a pocket full of air that helped him survive a little longer. But that wouldn't be enough air to last that long. So maybe....maybe undercover cops in Turkey have some special, very small, compressed air tanks hidden in their very large mustaches for use just in case they are ever buried alive for a few minutes. They could also help them hide underwater, making people think they had drowned, if need be. Turkish police must have some really smart, high tech, people, like Q in the James Bond movies working for them. Who knew?

Now there is another flashback. A former gangster named Abdo was killed for dealing drugs, apparently, and Serhat is tasked with finding out who in his gang is still dealing drugs. It's a competition between him and Erhat to see who can find out first. Erhat's jealousy of Serhat is beginning to show. Episode 10 now.

Serhat finds out one of Ismet Ali's sons, the one he later kills, is buying drugs. And slaps him. But doesn't tell his dad he is doing drugs. Aha. Now the flashback shows that Sari Erol is the man still dealing drugs. So he is going back to his old drug trade.

I saw you posted another comment so I stopped and read it first. Yes I've seen the bit with Burak and the girlfriend he pushed who hit her head and died. He has been to the police, who don't believe him. I think you're right about Doc Nasmi though I have not seen that flashback yet. But there was something said between the three stooges at one point to indicate he had a history with and was in hiding from Don Ismet Ali. Yes, Serhat is much older than Nurghul, but remember this is Muslim culture and older men marry young girls there, so in Turkey this would seem normal. I have not seen the history about Erhat and his son Umur (what is the rumor about Umur?) yet; does he suspect that it's not really his son? Erhat is a psychopath according to the story. It would not take much to turn him against someone. All indications are that Merve isn't in love with Erhat and never was. It seems like one of those arranged marriages. And usually, or often, when a man is cheating, as Erhat was shown doing when he was engaged to Merve, the woman is able to sense something is off, that he isn't really attracted to her. And if she doesn't feel he is into her, I think it is hard for a woman to really love the man. And if Erhat was cheating when they were engaged, he never really had feelings for her anyway. Erhat is ambitious for power, as you noted. He thinks of himself, that's who he is really in love with. How could Merve love him? She knows he has his eye on replacing her father. I have no idea why she has not spoken to her dad about that. Erhat has made remarks in her presence that Ismet is getting soft, that he is aging out of the ability to lead the gang. All of that made me think we could see Erhat possibly bump off the Don at some point. And Merve should be putting that together also and warning her dad.

2- I keep mixing up the names. I've been calling the psyco Erhat, but his name is Ertan. That was not intentional. I will get it right eventually.

Just a quick comment - I too, thought the cutting of the ribbon that joined the two together seemed odd - but if you remember they did it in Winter Sun as well - with Nadide and Burkat - it may symbolise the cutting of ties with the bride's father/family as they release her to start her new life. Merve seems to be the only daughter who can't compete with a son - so she does everything in her power to gain/keep her father's favour. The mother situation is odd - she has Alzheimers - that is a mental affliction not a physical one - why is she in a wheel chair - I don't see the point of the character - maybe she will into it more later. I find the Don's "solution" to the Burkat situation incomprehensible - he knew what would happen - why would he put the family at risk by not dealing with it himself.. It's ok - I can never remember their names either - I always spell them wrong!! I know who you mean.

OK, Doc Nazmi. The Don just said that he was his "friend's son", that his friend asked him to hire Nazmi, that he was their accountant, was caught embezzling money from them years ago, and he let him live. Serhat apparently advised him to let the kid live, for the sake of the Don's friend, presumably.

I think I got Merve's son's name wrong also. It looks like it is Umut, not Umur. Or maybe that is a nickname, but I saw it spelled Umut recently.

I will have to play catch up this evening. I am mostly done with episode 11 now. Sari Erol is under suspicion so to keep from being found out he killed his best thug Feyyaz so he could not talk. Now he can blame the drugs on Feyyaz and the "masked man". The three crime fighters don't yet know that the Don knows that Doc Nazmi is one of them, and looking for him.

I am on Ep 19 now. I love the way Nurgul as head chef doesn't bother putting her hair up as she cooks - it billows around almost down to her waist as she plates food up. She wouldn't stand a chance in a professional kitchen. She seems a right mean hearted unforgiving person - you'd think Serhat had shot the child the way she goes on. Erhan decided to shoot her but changed his mind after her sob story. She goes ahead and divorces Serhat. Her aunt is taking money off a wealthy baker who wants to date Nurgul - that old ratbag just wants rid of her. I can't say I blame her - it's a bit of a liberty just turning up at the door and dumping yourself and your problems on somebody. Have you seen what Serhat does to Erhan yet? Erhan did the obvious thing by going back to the greenhouse - that should have been his first thought not his last. I have never seen roses grown in a greenhouse - they are hardy plants - they flower into October - they would mildew in the humid environment of a greenhouse. But oops a daisy - Erhan has pricked his finger on a rose thorn - and that is bound to be symbolic somewhere along the line. Dadayli is descending into farce again - he is saying really idiotic things and doing retarded things - they treat him like he is a law unto himself and they have no power to control him - if that is the case they should dump him. The flashbacks keep on coming - and they are trying to show how Merve and Serhat got romantic with each other - but for me it is not really convincing. In the wake of the Burkat incident the family are giving a ball to support homeless children but trouble is brewing there. Onward and upward.

I'm mostly through episode 14 now. Nurgul has overheard the chef and that other girl gossiping about her, calling her a skank and implying that she is Ertan's latest squeeze. She ran out crying and was going to quit but Ertan is on the way in so I imagine things will change in a minute or two. The Don is about to pass sentence on Burkat.

Serhat or Ahmet really went all out with the daisies when he was wooing Nurgul. She told him she liked daisies and the next day he covered up everything in daisies. If he had just warned her when trouble came around he would still have her. She could have forgiven him for keeping his secret if he had told her in time, if their son had not died.

By the way, I saw an article about a study about psychopaths and women. They noticed that female psychologists in prisons were falling in love with psychopathic prisoners. So they set up a study in which women talked to guys for a few minutes and then rated how attracted they were to them. The psychopaths were more attractive to them than regular guys. I guess there is something to the idea that women like the bad boys. I don't think it works out for them in the long run of course. And it is just one study. We need to see if others can repeat the study and get the same results. And they need to study this further and try to break down what is going on there, what traits are appealing about those guys. Fascinating stuff. They are calling Ertan a psychopath, which made me think of that.

Serhat's friends are both on the odd side. Nazmi got all worried because he couldn't find his lucky underwear with hearts on them, and feared bad luck. That sent him to his place to find his lucky underwear, where two of Ertan's thugs were waiting for him to return home. Bad luck. And then Nazmi tries to fight off those guys with a toy light saber. They rescued Nazmi from the bus. That pressure switch bomb had a time delay to allow them to escape instead of going off as soon as he got up. Of course. Dadayli stated that he was crazy earlier in the show, and I don't think he was joking around too much when he said it. He acts really goofy all the time, so at least he is a happy nut case. He seems to have episodes where he goes off the deep end a bit.

The Don was fretting about having to take his son to the police over that girl who died. I'm thinking, you're a crime boss who murders people on a regular basis, and now you're going to turn in your only remaining son because of an accidental death? Sure, he pushed her, but he wasn't trying to harm her, that part was accidental. And for that the Don feels compelled to turn him in? I get that it was a young woman, and the Don is old school. But Burkat didn't intentionally harm the girl, and he is assuming that he did, and passing judgment on him for that. It seems like he has a selective morality. Burkat was very stupid about it though. He should have called an ambulance right away and explained that she fell and hit her head. There was no evidence that he had intentionally harmed her, or even that he harmed her himself at all. But for him to try to cover it up made him look guilty. The Don left it up to the kid, but implied he wanted him to tell the truth and have a clear conscience, even if it meant going to jail. I'm betting the kid talks and goes to jail. He shouldn't have tried to cover things up. Uh oh. He just lied. The Don isn't happy about that, I can tell. Burkat isn't anything to be proud of.

That chef was a stupid pig. He thought Nurgul slept her way into her dishwashing job. Yeah, I'm sure any woman would jump at the chance to be a dishwasher. So now she is the chef. Well, they did lay the foundation for this in the first episode when Nurgul made all those dishes for Ahmet, and her friend went on and on about what a fantastic cook she is. So the menu will change now to home cooked meals, the kind your mama used to make.

Being a woman I think I can understand the fact that women are definitely attracted to bad boys. I used to be attracted to not so much bad boys - but boys who had a sort of piratical air to them, who were not run of the mill and boring. I was never attracted to cold hearted arrogant men. Many years ago when I was very young there was a band called Johnny Kidd and the Pirates - my brother was leader of a local band who were all mad fans of John and played all his stuff - so when he needed a guitarist to play in German clubs because his own guitarist was too young - he gave my brother a six week gig in Hamburg. That led to him meeting me and the family - and when he was in Wales he and the band would come and stay with us. I was crazy about him - in our short acquaintance there wasn't even a kiss between us - but his memory is as strong as ever in my heart - all these years later. I only mention it because to me he embodies that element of what women find attractive in men - he had a huge charisma. To see him perform in his pirate outfit and his pony tail on stage was just indescribable. Sexuality enters into it of course - he was a very sexy man - but warm and kind and gentle as well. But I am from a different generation - the women today are as predatory as the men - they don't hesitate to make the first move and have sex on five minutes acquaintance - lust has replaced love in today's society and lust is a psychopathic trait in my estimation. I heard somewhere that people are attracted subconsciously to people who look like themselves regardless of gender - a man could be attracted by a woman for instance because subconsciously he thinks she looks like him and vice versa. This is probably true regarding mental characteristics as well - maybe people who have psychopathic elements are attracted to people who either share those elements or are full blown psychopaths. Basically they are attracted to themselves. To return to Kacak - I think the Don was disappointed and disgusted by his son's lack of a backbone - he was very brave when it came to girls and old women - but when it came to being a man and facing up to what happened he chickened out. That amount of daisies was mad - I get really teed off when people kill flowers for their own enjoyment - and to kill that amount just to seduce a woman was unforgiveable in my eyes. I will not buy a cut flower - I will buy a pot plant - but I hate the idea of growing flowers just to cut them. It's not as if you have to do it in order not to starve. I felt the same when Diana was killed and the flowers were never ending - why kill something to grieve for someone who was also killed - it doesn't make sense to me.

Being a woman I think I can understand the fact that women are definitely attracted to bad boys. I used to be attracted to not so much bad boys - but boys who had a sort of piratical air to them, who were not run of the mill and boring. I was never attracted to cold hearted arrogant men. Many years ago when I was very young there was a band called Johnny Kidd and the Pirates - my brother was leader of a local band who were all mad fans of John and played all his stuff - so when he needed a guitarist to play in German clubs because his own guitarist was too young - he gave my brother a six week gig in Hamburg. That led to him meeting me and the family - and when he was in Wales he and the band would come and stay with us. I was crazy about him - in our short acquaintance there wasn't even a kiss between us - but his memory is as strong as ever in my heart - all these years later. I only mention it because to me he embodies that element of what women find attractive in men - he had a huge charisma. To see him perform in his pirate outfit and his pony tail on stage was just indescribable. Sexuality enters into it of course - he was a very sexy man - but warm and kind and gentle as well. But I am from a different generation - the women today are as predatory as the men - they don't hesitate to make the first move and have sex on five minutes acquaintance - lust has replaced love in today's society and lust is a psychopathic trait in my estimation. I heard somewhere that people are attracted subconsciously to people who look like themselves regardless of gender - a man could be attracted by a woman for instance because subconsciously he thinks she looks like him and vice versa. This is probably true regarding mental characteristics as well - maybe people who have psychopathic elements are attracted to people who either share those elements or are full blown psychopaths. Basically they are attracted to themselves. To return to Kacak - I think the Don was disappointed and disgusted by his son's lack of a backbone - he was very brave when it came to girls and old women - but when it came to being a man and facing up to what happened he chickened out. That amount of daisies was mad - I get really teed off when people kill flowers for their own enjoyment - and to kill that amount just to seduce a woman was unforgiveable in my eyes. I will not buy a cut flower - I will buy a pot plant - but I hate the idea of growing flowers just to cut them. It's not as if you have to do it in order not to starve. I felt the same when Diana was killed and the flowers were never ending - why kill something to grieve for someone who was also killed - it doesn't make sense to me.

I'm beginning episode 16 now and Serhat and Dadayli are strong arming the security guy at the hotel into giving them the unedited security video which will destroy Burkat's alibi and put him at the scene of the death. He never should have lied. Even if he told the whole truth, that they had argued and he pushed her and she fell and hit her head, if he had called the ambulance straight away to see if she could be saved, at least it would have shown a normal compassion and concern for the girl. But lying, faking the video evidence, that is a crime in itself, and it points to guilt. So the kid will go down for more than an accidental killing now. And pretty soon they will know that Serhat is the one destroying their family and business. Of course it is going to take some time. There are 35 more episodes to go. ...Also, the Doc made reference to Dadayli's personality disorder last episode, so he wasn't totally joking about being crazy.

update: I don't want to be unkind to a woman who is still grieving but I think she is unfair to say Serhat killed their son. Now because she wants to be on her own she is going to wind up getting close to the man who actually shot and killed her son.

I just watched 17, where Serhat captured Burkat and left him at the police station, and then surprised Erhat at the rose garden and buried him up to his neck there.

You are tailgating me again!! I expect I shall see you sail by with a triumphant "Ha Ha" as you disappear in a cloud of dust !! Grief can cloud your judgement I suppose - and in a way she is right without knowing how. As I said earlier - as soon as his photo was in the papers and on the internet he should have rushed back home and got his wife and child to some secure location - but then there would have been much less of a story and the loss of a soap element. Did you like the way Serhat put a daisy behind Erhan's ear? It keeps happening - vital evidence that "was destroyed" turns up again. All those tapes show is that Burkat and Ece were at the hotel at the same time - it shows he lied but that could be explained away by the fact that he is quite young that he was scared and he panicked and of course he is the Don's son. If it is anything like the way the mafioso members are portrayed in prison - he will have a carpeted cell - a 55" television - women of his choice every day and as many stuffed grape leaves as he can eat - for six months or less. I don't understand the Don - he has to know that his son-in-law will be more loyal to his own father than to him - and he has a darn good idea that that guy is lying to him and is dealing drugs. There is a long way to go - I only hope they don't make Erhan have a head transplant and fall in love with Nurgul and become a good person. If that happens I am willing to bet that she will be on the verge of making love with him and someone will be watching through the ever open drapes and will telephone her and tell her "you are about to give yourself to the man who shot your child" at which point she will believe them entirely and pick up Erhan's gun and shoot him - dead. Do you suppose I should send my screenplay ideas to the Turkish media? !!! Lol.

That would be a good story, but it would be over too quickly. I didn't sleep well last night so I watched a lot. "as soon as his photo was in the papers and on the internet he should have rushed back home and got his wife and child to some secure location ", Yes, exactly. In fact, he should have revealed something about his past life, without details which could put any of them in danger, so at least she would know that he needed to keep a low profile. I guess Turkey doesn't have any kind of witness protection program to speak of. It seems that Serhat's boss Hamido set him up with his own money, and arranged his new identity on the side. That seems like a horrible system, but again, it is probably just a necessary plot device for this story. Yes, I liked seeing Erhat planted like a flower with a daisy behind his ear. But Serhat's obsession with drawing out his suffering, allowing him to stay alive without even injuring him, is a dangerous strategy. It seriously motivates Ertan and the entire crime network to intensely focus their money and efforts on eliminating Serhat and his partners. They are just three guys, and their luck may run out some day. I thought he should have left Ertan buried to his neck there with no help. He could have dumped some fire ants on him before leaving. In a few days he would die of thirst if nobody came by there. He could have buried him with a straw in his mouth for breathing to prevent discovery. But he left him alive and healthy, and even called for help to dig him out. the trio has no problem shooting the hired thugs who work for the crime families, but they think it is more cruel to leave the top dogs alive and uninjured? Again, there would not be much of a story if they didn't do that, but when obvious opportunities to cripple the network are passed by, it begins to detract from the credibility of the story. What about picking off key players one at a time? They got Ismet Ali to kill one of the network in the beginning, but nothing more has happened since then.

I am on episode 29 now. Your idea of the court case turned out to be correct; they didn't have enough evidence to convict him, and they didn't mention any charges of obstruction, so he walked. Burkat would have been well protected in prison, and would have had the Mafia comforts one hears about. I know that in Columbia they have their own quarters, and regularly have parties with prostitutes brought in, alcohol, drugs, good food, music, etc. It's like a dorm at a party school. I don't know about Turkey but I am sure the Mafia elite have it easy there. But Burkat is so mentally unstable that he would have freaked out at having to leave the mansion. ...Ece's poor mom is in the hospital needing a kidney. Serhat and the gang will find a way to get one for her. An old enemy of Serhat's will find out he is alive and in town and join the fight against him. He is crazy and good at what he does. As the story goes on, the trio help out a shop owner being extorted. And a mysterious cyber person hacks into Nazmi's computer to chat with the trio. He or she knows all about them, and all about the criminal organization they are fighting. Cyber friend gives them a clue. Ertan is feeling more and more drawn to Serhat's ex wife, and while she has begun to consider him a friend after Ertan helps her a few times, she has no attraction of that kind toward him. There is a lot of intrigue. Serhat has evidence that Ertan is cheating on Merve. Ertan is feeling the urge to take over as leader before much longer; I'm not sure where you are now.

By the way: I checked on IMDB and saw that Ismet Ali only has 34 episodes, but Ertan is in all 52. So at some point something happens to Ismet. He dies, or he moves away in retirement, or something. But we will see that psycho Ertan for the whole 52, or 50 episodes on netflix. I guess IMDB must be counting previews or summaries as episodes.

I have just finished Ep 20 and where to begin? Why - one asks oneself would Serhat kill 30 or more guards to get a young man who has done him no harm - and who hasn't really killed anyone deliberately. Oh yes - it's to obtain a kidney for Ece's mother - no tests - no matching - just anybody off the street will do, and isn't it the kidney that is supposed to be kept on ice - not the donor? Now - in spite of the fact that Burak is alive with no apparent lasting damage - The Don has sworn to kill Serhat. It has finally dawned on Nazim that with all these telephone conversations they are going to be able to track his phone - that took a while didn't it? Serhat "The man of his word" has broken his promise to Ertan and sent the photos of him with another woman to Merve - but have no fear - yet again there is evidence to deny her a divorce in the shape of a letter from Serhat (how did he know where to send it?) detailing how she helped him escape - did it not occur to him the danger this would put her in should it be discovered - why did she keep it - because it retained his smell? Turkish men must be a stinky bunch - you hear so much about mothers recognising their son's smell - have they never heard of Lynx? Now the Don has had the idea of putting out wanted flyers for the "KACAK" (fugitive) took them long enough to bring the meaning of the title up. I wonder why the police in Turkey have nothing to say about a mafioso putting up a reward poster for a man who has not broken the law (as far as they know). Enter a new character in the shape of a woman - Dadayli's ex girlfriend - who is being threatened by a protection gang. I ask myself - Hey Lady - you must have seen the wanted posters - why not turn Serhat in - get the reward and leave town? You are miles ahead of me now - a mere puff of exhaust in the distance!!

Yeah that bit about the kidney made me laugh. They just showed up at the hospital room and gave her the kidney. "Hey, here's a kidney. Have your doctor install it and you should be fine". As you said, no matching, nor worries about where it came from, no need to play fair and be on the waiting list, no checking and no questions asked. Just, any kidney will do, thanks for the kidney. And Burkat had always been just a partying kid who rebelled against his authoritarian Mafia daddy. He hadn't really done too much wrong before the accidental homicide, and there was no intent there. Enough for jail time, but it didn't make him a hardened criminal, and not someone to take revenge upon. Of course, Burkat decided to act like a tough buy and go choke out the girl's mother, and threaten her. That wasn't good. And he assaulted Serhat with a fire poker, considered a deadly weapon. But not for Serhat. You can hit him in the back with almost anything and he shrugs it off like it was made of foam rubber.

Burkat hid in the trunk of the car which carried Taylan, and he got out and tried to shoot Serhat. He had warned Ertan that he would send the photos if he tried anything, and he figured Burkat in the trunk violated their agreement, so off went the photos.

Wanted Posters. Somehow I missed the fact that it said Kacak and that meant wanted. But that explains the title. This is another event which points out the foolishness of 1-revealing your identity as the masked man and 2-failing to make knock out blows when you have the chance. And 3-allowing "mission drift" to creep in and affect your plans and goals. At first Serhat wanted revenge on the bloody criminal family which tried to kill him, and which murdered his son. Great. That is well defined and achievable. Then he decided that killing off one crime boss would not stop the criminal activity. What? No, it won't. But when did the mission shift to include destroying the entire criminal organization. And even if he did that, there would be others who would move in and take their place. And then he decided that he didn't want to kill them when he had the chance, he wanted them to suffer for a long time before he killed them. Well....that's one thing black sites are good for. He could snatch Ertan, for example, and hold him prisoner in a very uncomfortable position, as the Japanese did to POWs in their cruel torture. I'm not saying I endorse that, but if he wanted to make them suffer for a long time before killing them, that would be a safe way to go about it. The others would suffer from fearing what had happened to the kidnapped member. Then he could begin picking off the support staff, until he had a chance to get at the Don. That would provide him his goal of making them suffer, but without strengthening them to retaliate. Planting someone up to their neck with a daisy in their hair doesn't really make them suffer, nor does it sound like revenge for killing a child.

As it stands now, the trio is continually making new plans and reacting to the retaliation from the vast criminal empire now aligned against them. That's what mission creep does for you. Those guys don't know what they want to do from one day to the next. Of course, they don't have much to worry about I guess. The writers have them standing out in the open, with no cover, facing 10 or 20 amed men who are firing from cover, and the trio never gets shot. Instead they pick off all the bad guys. That rarely works, but these guys do it all the time. And even if Serhat does get shot, and buried alive, he can fully recover in a matter of days, so I guess none of this matters.

Between Ismet Ali and Ertran, Erhat, Errant...I mean Ertan, I think Ertan is the more dangerous and unpredictable. He doesn't care about honor or pride or old school rules. He just wants power and the sick satifaction he gets from his psychopathic activities.

I think I will switch to another show for a few days so until you get up to episode 30 or so. Let me know when you do. I binged a little too much on the show for now.

OK - what was written on the posters was "Fugitive" and Kacak is Turkish for fugitive. You didn't miss it. I didn't understand the title so I looked it up - I figured it couldn't be the name of a minor character - and it wasn't the hero's name - so it had to mean something. I agree with you that what started as let's divide and rule has been replaced by let's kill everybody who puts their head above the parapet. You can't destroy the mafia - they should know that. Even letting the Don and his family know that he had survived the burial with his scuba moustache was a mistake - he simply put them on their guard - how is that good strategy? He and his mates should have kept a low profile and conducted guerrilla warfare with the Don et al having no idea who was warring with them. I am not sure if Serhat and Nurgul will get back together unless he is at death's door and it will make her realise how much she still loves him. But this is Turkish - heads change willinilly so there's no telling how this will end.

Yeah, after Ezel and Winter Sun, I expect Nurgul and Serhat to definitely get back together again, unless she gets killed. Then I would expect Serhat and Merve to find each other, especially since I think Umut is their son. In fact, Serhat and Ismet Ali will be playing poker together if Ismet is still alive at the end. He will be on a magazine cover "Mafioso of the Year!" pictured with his hired killers and police officers, all smiling like good old friends. They will share drinks and reminisce, "I knew one day we would look back and laugh over the stuff we did. Hey, remember when I killed your son?" And both will bust up laughing and slap each other on the back. The good old days.

Nah. This show has more actual revenge stuff than those other two. But I still don't know if we should expect Ertan to die, as he should. He was even more brutal and bloody than normal in the episodes I've just seen. If they don't show him dying at the end then something is just badly wrong with Turkish television. I like the shows since they are different, and don't have any PC crap in them. But this trend of ending on a happy note where all if forgiven is overdone. Hopefully Ertan will die. Serhat has already used a drill press to put a hole in a bad guy's head in one scene. That even shocked his partners. It was at the end of a fight scene and he was improvising, but that was a nasty way to go. The guy he killed was a crazy brutal killer though and there was a sense that he had it coming. So there is some hope that Ertan will die.

I can foresee some allegiances shifting in the coming episodes. I don't want to give things away, and you will probably guess the same thing when you get to this point. Serhat will get some help from unlikely sources. I worry when I get ahead of you that I will slip up and spoil things for you. So I am watching what I say.