Its been 12 years since our last episode, maybe give it a break?... a chance? You lot keep jumping on the nearest band-wagon and get perfectly good shows cancelled. I enjoyed it, special effects and cast were great. Looking forward to the next episode, that's right, next episode, Star Trek has always been about individual stories and should be judged as a body of work.
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Reply by Knixon
on October 9, 2017 at 3:54 PM
Well there are some truths and facts, but a lot of what these people are calling "facts" are just quoting someone else's opinion. It's a fact that you can quote someone else's opinion, but that's still really just an opinion. Quoting it accurately doesn't make it true.
Sometimes I feel like Perry Mason against a mob of Hamilton Burgers. Don't they know by now that Perry Mason's client is always innocent? Why do people spend so much time and energy arguing with me when I'm right? And why do they think that makes ME "autistic" when the very quotations they use to "prove" it clearly points the finger at them, not me?
Here's another example:
https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/1418-the-big-bang-theory/discuss/59d8da85c3a36861a30263c3?page=2
Reply by Nubyan
on October 9, 2017 at 4:54 PM
Absolutely not! Just this one person in particular.
Reply by GBH2
on October 9, 2017 at 4:56 PM
People who are incapable of supporting their position with actual facts and analysis always resort to ad hominem.
Reply by Knixon
on October 9, 2017 at 5:06 PM
It seems that some things never change. And these days the fad is "autism"/"aspergers." Probably because they see it on TV a lot.
They hadn't yet admitted I was right when I first posted that other example, but now they have. And not even one suggestion of "autism" or "aspergers!" What a pleasant surprise.
Reply by TimeAfterThyme
on October 9, 2017 at 6:26 PM
Agreed. Textbook case.
Reply by Nubyan
on October 9, 2017 at 7:44 PM
👏👍 A diagnosis is half the battle. At the very least one can schedule an appointment to confirm or deny what has been observed.
Reply by Nexus71
on October 9, 2017 at 7:46 PM
I thought this thread was about STD and other Star Trek related topics not about Asperger Syndrome?
Reply by Knixon
on October 9, 2017 at 7:56 PM
I guess you haven't noticed, that's what people do these days when shown they're wrong about something, even if it's just wrong about something to do with Star Trek. Fortunately TBBT board hasn't gotten quite so bad yet. ArcticFox and CalabrianQueen both admitted I was correct about Sheldon's "discovery." These guys just yell "autism!" and "aspergers!" when I'm right. Since this is Star Trek you'd think they might yell "Synthecoccus novae!" or "xenopolycythemia!" but those aren't current fads.
Reply by Nubyan
on October 9, 2017 at 8:02 PM
It appears to have morphed into both.
Reply by Nexus71
on October 9, 2017 at 8:02 PM
By reacting to their every comment you're doing yourself a disfavour by actually proving the point they are making .my advice ,accept that you are not always right Knix .And that's the last thing I have to say about it.
Reply by Nexus71
on October 9, 2017 at 8:10 PM
@Nubyan:_ "It appears to have morphed into both."_
"Star Trek Asperger Discovery "
Reply by Nubyan
on October 9, 2017 at 8:18 PM
😞
Reply by Knixon
on October 9, 2017 at 8:27 PM
I hardly react to every comment, a cursory reading of the thread should make that obvious. And if I'm not sure that I'm right about something, I don't claim that I am. But if other people are claiming 2+2=5, and I correct them more than once that 2+2=4, my doing so doesn't prove I have some syndrome. Even the quotations they've used about denying evidence etc, mean that if anything, the people who keep claiming 2+2=5 when I show them 2+2=4, are the ones with a problem. Whether the problem they have is autism or just stubbornness and stupidity is an open question. Since claiming autisim/aspergers at the drop of a hat is a modern fad, I suspect stubbornness and stupidity is the correct answer.
Reply by Radio Free Geneva
on October 9, 2017 at 10:53 PM
Totally agree with this.
Not only is this guy arguing to the death about something he was clearly proven wrong about, with the link to that article, with nothing but his illogical opinion as "evidence", and about a dozen other people agreeing with the person he was originally arguing with and not one person agreeing with him (the couple of people who disliked the "personnel" (sic) comments, never said he was correct), but he's exhibiting other symptoms of Aspergers in another thread - https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/253-star-trek/discuss/59c211d292514176d200878c?page=2#59dc1b18c3a36861ec06828e .
The posters in this thread were wise not to waste their time engaging him in his delusions.
Reply by Knixon
on October 9, 2017 at 11:26 PM
You and others still don't get it. Yes, that WHO ranked certain countries certain ways, etc, is a fact. But their rankings are based on their opinions. Citing a fact based on opinion is still really an opinion. I'm sorry if even that relatively simple abstraction is beyond your comprehension, but that doesn't prove me wrong, or autistic, or anything else about me. It shows that you and many others either can't handle an even relatively simple abstraction, or that you refuse to admit that it shows you're not really arguing from facts at all.
I don't think the examples could be any easier to grasp even if someone never thought of it before, which would be a little sad in this day and age. If X says "green" is their favorite color, or maybe even the BEST color, that is their opinion. If Y then says, "X says "green" is the best color" that statement is true, and could be said to be a fact, but it doesn't thereby prove that green IS the best color. It is only accurately conveying X's opinion.
And you know what? If Z says "Y says that X says that "green" is the best color," it's another truth/fact but that is STILL only conveying an opinion and doesn't prove anything objectively about "green" or any other color.
Like it or not, WHO and other groups, agencies, etc, use subjective measurements for their rankings. i.e., they're making judgments, hence opinions. Reporting the results of their ranking is factual, but their rankings are still opinions. WHO ranking broadly favors socialist systems over capitalist and free market. (Probably on purpose, but that isn't terribly relevant here.) People who also favor socialism over capitalism and free markets might agree and want to claim WHO is "objective" and "factual" but they aren't fooling anybody except maybe some of you people. Which again, would be sad if true; or something else if you're just refusing to admit that your opinions aren't based on anything but other opinions.