Discuss Star Trek: Discovery

Its been 12 years since our last episode, maybe give it a break?... a chance? You lot keep jumping on the nearest band-wagon and get perfectly good shows cancelled. I enjoyed it, special effects and cast were great. Looking forward to the next episode, that's right, next episode, Star Trek has always been about individual stories and should be judged as a body of work.

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@psl said:

So every one who argues opinions with you and does not concede- suffers from "Asperger Syndrome" ?????

There is no truth -just another persons opinion.

Well there are some truths and facts, but a lot of what these people are calling "facts" are just quoting someone else's opinion. It's a fact that you can quote someone else's opinion, but that's still really just an opinion. Quoting it accurately doesn't make it true.

Sometimes I feel like Perry Mason against a mob of Hamilton Burgers. Don't they know by now that Perry Mason's client is always innocent? Why do people spend so much time and energy arguing with me when I'm right? And why do they think that makes ME "autistic" when the very quotations they use to "prove" it clearly points the finger at them, not me?

Here's another example:

https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/1418-the-big-bang-theory/discuss/59d8da85c3a36861a30263c3?page=2

@psl said:

So every one who argues opinions with you and does not concede- suffers from "Asperger Syndrome" ?????

Absolutely not! Just this one person in particular.

@Knixon said:

@psl said:

So every one who argues opinions with you and does not concede- suffers from "Asperger Syndrome" ?????

There is no truth -just another persons opinion.

Well there are some truths and facts, but a lot of what these people are calling "facts" are just quoting someone else's opinion. It's a fact that you can quote someone else's opinion, but that's still really just an opinion. Quoting it accurately doesn't make it true.

Sometimes I feel like Perry Mason against a mob of Hamilton Burgers. Don't they know by now that Perry Mason's client is always innocent? Why do people spend so much time and energy arguing with me when I'm right? And why do they think that makes ME "autistic" when the very quotations they use to "prove" it clearly points the finger at them, not me?

Here's another example:

https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/1418-the-big-bang-theory/discuss/59d8da85c3a36861a30263c3?page=2

People who are incapable of supporting their position with actual facts and analysis always resort to ad hominem.

@GBH2 said:

People who are incapable of supporting their position with actual facts and analysis always resort to ad hominem.

It seems that some things never change. And these days the fad is "autism"/"aspergers." Probably because they see it on TV a lot.

They hadn't yet admitted I was right when I first posted that other example, but now they have. And not even one suggestion of "autism" or "aspergers!" What a pleasant surprise.

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@Beepositive said:

@Nexus71

You're wasting your time: https://www.autisminspiration.com/public/415.cfm

"Many children with Asperger Syndrome will also argue when told that they are wrong even about seemingly insignificant things. Children with Asperger Syndrome seem to have a drive to be perfect and it is a blow to their self-esteem when they discover that they are not. The easiest way for them to avoid this blow is refuse to believe that they are wrong. Instead, they will argue endlessly to prove that they are right in spite of all evidence to the contrary. For example, my daughter loves to argue with her older brothers over information, even if after I have explained to her that she is incorrect. If her brothers or I attempt to show her the correct information in a book or on-line she will become more agitated and start to scream, all the while still insisting that she is right."

LMAO that describes knixon perfectly. Thank you for confirming my diagnosis.

Spot on!

Poor little guy is still melting down. So much irony in his posts. Too funny. joy

Quoted for truth.

Yep. Definite autismo. Hilarious thread though.

Agreed. Textbook case.

👏👍 A diagnosis is half the battle. At the very least one can schedule an appointment to confirm or deny what has been observed.

I thought this thread was about STD and other Star Trek related topics not about Asperger Syndrome?

I guess you haven't noticed, that's what people do these days when shown they're wrong about something, even if it's just wrong about something to do with Star Trek. Fortunately TBBT board hasn't gotten quite so bad yet. ArcticFox and CalabrianQueen both admitted I was correct about Sheldon's "discovery." These guys just yell "autism!" and "aspergers!" when I'm right. Since this is Star Trek you'd think they might yell "Synthecoccus novae!" or "xenopolycythemia!" but those aren't current fads.

It appears to have morphed into both.

By reacting to their every comment you're doing yourself a disfavour by actually proving the point they are making .my advice ,accept that you are not always right Knix .And that's the last thing I have to say about it.

@Nubyan:_ "It appears to have morphed into both."_ smile

"Star Trek Asperger Discovery " smile

😞

@Nexus71 said:

By reacting to their every comment you're doing yourself a disfavour by actually proving the point they are making .my advice ,accept that you are not always right Knix .And that's the last thing I have to say about it.

I hardly react to every comment, a cursory reading of the thread should make that obvious. And if I'm not sure that I'm right about something, I don't claim that I am. But if other people are claiming 2+2=5, and I correct them more than once that 2+2=4, my doing so doesn't prove I have some syndrome. Even the quotations they've used about denying evidence etc, mean that if anything, the people who keep claiming 2+2=5 when I show them 2+2=4, are the ones with a problem. Whether the problem they have is autism or just stubbornness and stupidity is an open question. Since claiming autisim/aspergers at the drop of a hat is a modern fad, I suspect stubbornness and stupidity is the correct answer.

Sneaky Pete said:

@MangeSkeevesOutKlam said:

@Reasonable Kermode said:

@Amy Polaroid said:

@styXXX said:

@Beepositive said:

@Nexus71

You're wasting your time: https://www.autisminspiration.com/public/415.cfm

"Many children with Asperger Syndrome will also argue when told that they are wrong even about seemingly insignificant things. Children with Asperger Syndrome seem to have a drive to be perfect and it is a blow to their self-esteem when they discover that they are not. The easiest way for them to avoid this blow is refuse to believe that they are wrong. Instead, they will argue endlessly to prove that they are right in spite of all evidence to the contrary. For example, my daughter loves to argue with her older brothers over information, even if after I have explained to her that she is incorrect. If her brothers or I attempt to show her the correct information in a book or on-line she will become more agitated and start to scream, all the while still insisting that she is right."

LMAO that describes knixon perfectly. Thank you for confirming my diagnosis.

Spot on!

Poor little guy is still melting down. So much irony in his posts. Too funny. joy

Quoted for truth.

Yep. Definite autismo. Hilarious thread though.

Agreed. Textbook case.

Totally agree with this.

Not only is this guy arguing to the death about something he was clearly proven wrong about, with the link to that article, with nothing but his illogical opinion as "evidence", and about a dozen other people agreeing with the person he was originally arguing with and not one person agreeing with him (the couple of people who disliked the "personnel" (sic) comments, never said he was correct), but he's exhibiting other symptoms of Aspergers in another thread - https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/253-star-trek/discuss/59c211d292514176d200878c?page=2#59dc1b18c3a36861ec06828e .

The posters in this thread were wise not to waste their time engaging him in his delusions.

You and others still don't get it. Yes, that WHO ranked certain countries certain ways, etc, is a fact. But their rankings are based on their opinions. Citing a fact based on opinion is still really an opinion. I'm sorry if even that relatively simple abstraction is beyond your comprehension, but that doesn't prove me wrong, or autistic, or anything else about me. It shows that you and many others either can't handle an even relatively simple abstraction, or that you refuse to admit that it shows you're not really arguing from facts at all.

I don't think the examples could be any easier to grasp even if someone never thought of it before, which would be a little sad in this day and age. If X says "green" is their favorite color, or maybe even the BEST color, that is their opinion. If Y then says, "X says "green" is the best color" that statement is true, and could be said to be a fact, but it doesn't thereby prove that green IS the best color. It is only accurately conveying X's opinion.

And you know what? If Z says "Y says that X says that "green" is the best color," it's another truth/fact but that is STILL only conveying an opinion and doesn't prove anything objectively about "green" or any other color.

Like it or not, WHO and other groups, agencies, etc, use subjective measurements for their rankings. i.e., they're making judgments, hence opinions. Reporting the results of their ranking is factual, but their rankings are still opinions. WHO ranking broadly favors socialist systems over capitalist and free market. (Probably on purpose, but that isn't terribly relevant here.) People who also favor socialism over capitalism and free markets might agree and want to claim WHO is "objective" and "factual" but they aren't fooling anybody except maybe some of you people. Which again, would be sad if true; or something else if you're just refusing to admit that your opinions aren't based on anything but other opinions.

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