@raze464 said: In the case of early cancellations, regular episodes being added as specials just means the network didn't air those episodes. That's literally all it means.

It only means that you misappropriated the term "special" and decided that you can put a "special" label on something that is clearly not a "special episode" in the industry standard meaning of the term. But what it really means is that episodes are not listed in the intended order, hence they can't be properly tracked on resources like Trakt, which unfortunately uses your database. Media centers can't fetch the metadata, because it's moved outside of a season. Besides that, season regulars and crew members have an incorrect number of appearances (6 instead of 12) and guest stars have more appearances than season regulars (which they actually don't) https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/80828-the-nevers/cast

So it appears that you intentionally providing incorrect data just for the sake of following the rule because I don't see any other advantage from listing these episodes as specials, except following the bible to the letter.

You could've just listed these episodes without airdates, which would've indicated that the network didn't air those episodes, but at the same time kept the rest of the show's data correct and in order.

@raze464 said:

There can be exceptions to the rules, either the ones mentioned in the Contribution Bible or a few approved by the admin, but if the rules, including the early cancellation rule, are applied selectively to where it makes sense, then there's no point in having rules that apply to everything.

Hi Raze, given this is a contentious point and the community is leaning towards preferring The Nevers to be a contiguous season, can this be marked as an exception? Is there a form or voting process we can engage in to help that be the case?

If you want it this way, you can use this epîsode group.

@shotfirer said: So it appears that you intentionally providing incorrect data just for the sake of following the rule because I don't see any other advantage from listing these episodes as specials, except following the bible to the letter.

I haven't seen any beneficial reasoning for the rule in the first place. For every single given example, I don't see why it would have been better to place them in specials rather than in the season.

@superboy97 said:

If you want it this way, you can use this epîsode group.

It doesn't change the metadata for API clients, and also doesn't fix the issue with appearance counts for cast and crew.

@shotfirer said:

@superboy97 said:

If you want it this way, you can use this epîsode group.

It doesn't change the metadata for API clients

API clients can get the metadata based on the episode group.

Hi @superboy97 , thank you for the suggestion - if I understand correctly, it doesn't seem like this will help our use case, since the episode group has to be referenced by applications that may or may not respect the additional field (as a Plex user, I don't see anywhere to tell Plex to reference the episode group at all). Can an exception be made for The Nevers, as @raze464 suggested as a possibility? All of the people who showed up here to address this clearly need it to be managed in the suggested way rather than the one originally specified, so it would be really helpful if an exception can be made.

@Dragonwyntir said:

I don't see anywhere to tell Plex to reference the episode group at all

Plex correctly identified the episodes for me. That said, I agree with the general user consensus that either the rule needs fine tuning or changing, as incidences like this are likely to be more common. Either that, or this needs to be an "exception". I know of at least 2 "movies" on here that have, AFAIK, only been available as "leaks" - both of which have had mods on the discussion pages.

@raze464 said:

There can be exceptions to the rules, either the ones mentioned in the Contribution Bible or a few approved by the admin, but if the rules, including the early cancellation rule, are applied selectively to where it makes sense, then there's no point in having rules that apply to everything.

So how do users escalate an issue like this to the admin given the unwillingness to bend a rule?

I agree with all of the other users here. Mods have broken this show based on a lack of understanding of how the show was released and blindly enforcing changes that present false information. There is clearly a season 1 of the show that was aired in its entirety, regardless of whatever the rules say. There was no need to corrupt the metadata by calling them specials, which they clearly are not.

I'm unable to scrape the entire season in kodi since the last time documentation on tvshow.nfo files was updated they didn't support the new json format. If this has been fixed since then I'm unable to find any information on it and it seems to be the only way to get the episode group to work. If anyone has any information on how to trick kodi into using the episode group please let me know.

The way to use episode groups in Kodi is explained here : https://kodi.wiki/view/Add-on:TMDb_TV_Shows#Episode_Orders

Note : you need to use the Python version of the scraper, instead of the regex one.

@superboy97

Do you have a similar article for Plex? Also, can this be escalated as we've asked? The community does not prefer this usage, and isn't this entire website built for its community?

@Dragonwyntir said:

@superboy97

Do you have a similar article for Plex?

Sorry, I don't know Plex.

Also, can this be escalated as we've asked?

All the moderators read the forum topics.

The community does not prefer this usage, and isn't this entire website built for its community?

The site has rules that should be respected. When you register on a site, you agree to its rules.

@superboy97 said:

All the moderators read the forum topics.

But what about the admins? The community wants to appeal to a higher power.

The site has rules that should be respected. When you register on a site, you agree to its rules.

And we understand that but, as in other aspects of life, there are cases where the rules don't make sense and exceptions need to be made. Or a rule becomes outdated as the world evolves and needs to be revised. Why do the mods refuse to consider adapting or making an exception? Not everything in life is black and white.

Furthering HankN's point, there was even a post from raze that said that exceptions are made. Why wouldn't they be made when the community requests help? And if it is an exception, haven't we all agreed that we're not trying to change your rule, just have this instance amended to serve the people? If it is an exception, wouldn't it preserve your rule and also make the community happy? Isn't that a win/win? I agree that we've all spent a whole bunch of time trying to argue for something that should be here to serve the users, not the mods. No one is asking for anything unreasonable here, and it's not going to hurt anything or anyone by making the exception. If there are enough exceptions, it would make sense to change the rule to make things easier and have less of us spend time trying to convince the mods, but that's a more logical use of moderation and feedback. All we are asking for is a logical application of something that typically works quite well, but is broken here for the people using it. Please help us!