@Knixon said:

Do you suppose Seth would want to produce a new, GOOD, Star Trek show at the same time as The Orville?

According to rumors that if Seth becomes showrunner for everything Trek related he would stand down as showrunner of The Orville since making Star Trek would be a dream come true for him since he is a huge fan.In fact the rumors also talk about Seth being a fan of ENT and that he wants to bring back Scott Bakula as Archer.

And all of the reasons why ENT failed was because of the same people (Les Moonves in particular)in the head office at CBS who approved STD and STP and signed the contract with Kurtzman and Secret Hideout .Against all the wishes of the producers of ENT (Berman and Braga)just because the head office wanted their way as to deliberately get Star Trek off the air.The biggest reason why ENT failed was franchise fatigue.If Moonves and Co had listened to Berman and Braga they would have waited with the release of ENT for like three years and would have not come up with stupid stuff like more advanced tech(Berman and Braga had wanted no transporters and stuff like that)no Borg no time travel plots etc etc.As for Archer being too familiar and informal with his crew this was actually modeled after( like the design of the NX-01 )How the crew functions on board a submarine where the hyarchy is less strict and formal than most other ships.And if I read article further I wonder if he actually paid attention while watching the show because T'Pol after original Spock is probably the best and most complex Vulcan character of the entire Trek franchise but in stead of judging Blalock on her quite good acting qualities he only seem to have paid attention to her cleavage and her bum.T'Pol is probably the most fleshed out complex Vulcan character of the entire Trek franchise where her character has to overcome her initial prejudices about Humans but also has to overcome complexand deeply personal problems.The Archer story arc over four seasons is probably the most interesting story arc of all the captains for example in most other shows the captains always had a set of established rules ,regulations and protocols when faced with certain moral and ethical dilemmas Archer didn't have these and has to find these things out for himself by trial and error as a consequence we see him carrying the weight of these decisions and struggling with them right or wrong.And since he has a smaller crew he probably knows his crew fairly well unlike the many faceless and nameless redshirts of previous shows so when a crewmember dies the loss and grief is felt more closely (which becomes pretty poignant in season 3).So in all fairness the author seems to be parroting all the usual misplaced preconceptions about ENT (the fact that he mentions the openings theme illustrates this down to fact that he mentions the Rod Stewart sound alike vocalist of the song while the lyrics of the song directly underline the series themes).But apart from the song noteworthy is that a lot of people who initially dismissed ENT and started watching ENT after it was cancelled actually like the series a lot.

I just think they should have stuck with the TOS concept that Zefram Cochrane invented warp drive not just for Earth, but for everyone. At least everyone in our galaxy. Or close to it anyway. I suppose you'd have to say that the Talosians didn't have to rely on Cochrane's discovery. And the Organians, and Metrons… But it would have been much better to not have said the Vulcans had warp drive for over 3,000 years already (otherwise they couldn't have established the P'Jem monastery that long ago) and so forth.

P'Jem monastery was ancient one of the oldest Vulcan monestaries

Yes, and it wasn't on Vulcan. It was on some distant planet fairly close to Andoria. And they said it had been there for like 3,000 years. Which means Vulcans must have had warp drive for 3,000 years.

Sorry, don't buy it.

I'm wearing a cat suit right now. Meow!

@Nexus71 said:

@autoexec.batman said:

@Nexus71 said:

According to rumours Seth and NBC/Universal made an offer to buy Star Trek from CBS.

They would have to be complete morons to sell.

Well it seems they still are seriously considering it to sell it.For Viacom/CBS it would be the easiest way to get rid of Kurtzman/Secret Hideout and Abrams/Bad Robot because they absolutely loathe what those two have done to the Trek franchise the contract with Abrams has already transpired but the Kurtzman/Secret Hideout with the 25% different alternate liscense(2009-...) is still in effect and as long as they produce content under that alternate liscense Viacom/CBS which also includes Paramount can't make any Star Trek under the original liscense(1966-2005)which is what Trek fans and Viacom/CBS actually want.And since everything Trek related Kurtzman and Secret Hideout have done so far has only cost them money and has alienated a large part of the fanbase(who are responsible for bringing a large chunk of the profits because it is them who buy the merchandise)who now have drifted towards The Orville.

Everything Star Trek related since the second the second episode of the first season of TOS has "alienated a lot of fans". It's the nature of hardcore fandom that fans hate everything. It's long been an axiom that you aren't really a Star Trek fan unless you hate Star Trek with every fiber if your being. Yet they all come back, being unable to walk away despite the fact that you hate everything is also the nature of fandom.

@Invidia said:

@Nexus71

producers of ENT (Berman and Braga)just because the head office wanted their way as to deliberately get Star Trek off the air... they would have waited with the release of ENT for like three years and would have not come up with stupid stuff like more advanced tech(Berman and Braga had wanted no transporters and stuff like that)no Borg no time travel plots etc etc.

https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/scifi/enterprise-failed-star-trek.html?utm_source=zergnet.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=zergnet_4865138

Enterprise was supposed to be a grand television series about exploration, about the spirit of adventure, about the triumph of the human spirit. Instead it kept getting bogged down in gimmicks, gimmicks which it never needed and gimmicks which its audience had long since grown weary of. The show’s producers, Rick Berman and Brannon Braga, were locked into a formula which told them that they had to have a reason to fire phasers every episode or their audience would stop being interested. Enterprise’s producers never had any faith in Star Trek fans and so it wasn’t long before Star Trek fans lost faith in them. In the process Hollywood lost faith in the entire franchise, sending longtime steward Rick Berman to the unemployment line and Star Trek into the high-octane, style over substance hands of JJ Abrams. Thanks to Enterprise, Rodenberry’s vision will never be the same again.

@Nexus71

T'Pol after original Spock is probably the best and most complex Vulcan character of the entire Trek franchise but in stead of judging Blalock on her quite good acting qualities he only seem to have paid attention to her cleavage and her bum.

According to what they're saying one had NO CHOICE but to observe her body ... due to the way she ran around wearing her underware. So that's the FAULT of those who were trying to BOOST RATINGS by making her a SEX POT (the same way as they forced 7 of 9 to wear that other HORRIBLE CORRSET so she could fit into the CAT SUIT where she also couldn't breath very well. And they also say the actress who played the part of the VULCAN in ENT CAN'T ACT AT ALL.

It wasn’t a bad idea to have a Vulcan on Enterprise. After all this is a Star Trek set in the very earliest days of the humanity’s journey out into the stars. Vulcans were the first aliens encountered by humanity and would, logically, be one of the few races they’d be well acquainted with during this period. It was, however, a bad idea to make that Vulcan Archer’s first officer. Enterprise is supposed to be, after all, a show about humanity’s first leap out into the stars. Instead it’s a show about humans reaching out into the stars whenever Archer’s on the bridge. When he’s not, it turns into a show about how a Vulcan named T’Pol told humans what to do on their first attempt to reach out and connect with other species.

That’s particularly ridiculous in light of Archer’s own resentment towards Vulcans. He sets out on his journey determined to have humanity start doing things on its own. And for his first act as Captain of Earth’s first warp 5 ship, he makes a Vulcan his first officer. Nothing about this makes any sense.

It makes even less sense when you consider what Enterprise made out of the Vulcans. Missing were the logical, peace-loving aliens we’ve grown to know and love as part of the Trek universe. In their place were a bunch of angry, pointy-eared, close-minded racists with an addiction to spray-tan and a penchant for murder and threats. In the show’s final season there was a last-minute, half-hearted attempt to reconcile all of this and turn the Vulcans back into creatures best known for their inability to lie… but by then it was too little, too late.

Maybe they could have sold the idea of Vulcan fury better if they’d cast an actual actress to play T’Pol, the aforementioned Enterprise first officer. Instead they cast Jolene Blalock. She’s useful whenever you want to photograph a Vulcan female in her underwear (something the show, wisely, did a lot of) but Blalock’s not much good for anything else. I’d like to think that no one ever actually got around to telling her that Vulcans don’t have emotions, but the truth is probably that she just can’t act. At all.

@Nexus71

since he has a smaller crew he probably knows his crew fairly well unlike the many faceless and nameless redshirts of previous shows

CORRECTION

No one KNEW her CREW as well as JANEWAY did which is also ILLUSTRATED in The LOST SHEEP EPPY where she deals with 3 members of the CREW who keep themselves ISOLATED from other CREW MEMBERS.

Good Shepherd (Star Trek: Voyager) - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Shepherd_(Star_Trek:_Voyager)

After a routine shipwide efficiency analysis, Seven of Nine determines that three of Voyager's crewmen are not performing at acceptable levels. Whereas such a problem on a starship would normally be remedied by a transfer to less challenging assignments, this option is not available to the crew of the Voyager, which is stranded tens of thousands of light years from Earth.

Captain Janeway decides to take the three crewmen under her wing, and against the advice of Seven of Nine, brings them along on an astronomical study in the Delta Flyer in order to form a rapport with them. The three crewmen are science officer William Telfer a hypochondriac; Tal Celes, a Bajoran whose substandard work requires constant double-checking by others; and the asocialMortimer Harren, who is interested only in cosmological theories and has found an assignment where he can sequester himself on Deck 15 and pursue this subject between occasional duties.

Plus she was also with them CONSTANTLY for 7 YEARS,

whereas other CAPTAINS would constantly have a FLOW of NEW CREW members coming and going each time they'd DOCK for supplies or repairs or whatever. JANEWAY, for example, was also only suppose to be on a mission that was suppose to take 3 WEEKS.

So during that 7 YEAR TIME FRAME she also got to KNOW her CREW better than ANY OTHER CAPTAIN did their CREW due to the way they were TOGETHER for the LONGEST TIME period of any other CREW.

@Nexus71

a lot of people who initially dismissed ENT and started watching ENT after it was cancelled actually like the series a lot.

And LOTS of people who watched it and tried to watch it again also still didn't LIKE IT.

@Nexus71

in all fairness the author seems to be parroting all the usual misplaced preconceptions about ENT

Just like you yourself also keep PARROTING all the USUAL MISPLACED PRECONCEPTIONS about PICARD.

But maybe after it ENDS ...

and IF they ever show it in RERUNS again on other TV CHANNELS that aren't BEHIND a PAY WALL ...

then you might also LIKE PICARD someday as well.

Because you are also one of those who keeps DISMISSING PICARD the same way as you say others did ENT.

Janeway had about double the crew size of NX-01 Enterprise, but less than half the size of Kirk's Enterprise and about 1/5th the size of Picard's Enterprise.

That depends on how you look at things, and how well you remember things. For example, consider Kirk with Bailey. And with Garrovick. Sisko also got pretty close with a lot of his crew. Also consider Picard - and Worf, for that matter - with various lower-ranks such as Sito Jaxa.

But mostly, just because nobody wrote an episode like "Good Shepherd" for Kirk or Picard or the others, doesn't prove that similar things never happened.

Purrrrfect

@autoexec.batman said:

@Satai Delenn said:

@Knixon said:

There will be places to download/watch it free. Just like for the first seasons.

Which I can't do from my T.V., and I will not watch T.V. on my computer. That is NOT what a computer is for! Also, I don't trust download sites!

You absolutely can watch Hulu on your TV you can get a perfectly good smart TV for under $200....... Frankly I can't see why anyone with any sense would want to have cable why pay $150 a month for about two channels 95% of what you never watch when you could get all the TV you ever want every show you want to see for $12 a month? it makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever why you buddy would still have cable in 2020

Maybe you can, and good for you, but no, I can't. It doesn't work that way. I can watch T.V. on my T.V., but I cannot watch anything from the Internet. I can use my computer for the Internet, but that is not the way I want to watch T.V. I keep my T.V. running in the background while I play games on the Net or write, or whatever on my computer, so I don't want to have a TELEVISION program running on my computer that I can hear but can't see because I'm in another tab doing something else. When I have my T.V. on, I can just look up and see the screen when something catches my interest.

I grew up watching TOS, and so yes, when TNG was created, I was against it (I was also very young). It took me until season 2 came out for me to tune in and give it a chance, and I was hooked. Prior to the series ending, I was eventually able to watch the first season through reruns. Season 1 was OK, but I have to say I'm glad I came in at season 2. There were so many things about some of the main characters I hated in that first season (Troi, for one, whom was one of my favorite characters in Season two), and I wasn't a big fan of Tasha Yar. I much preferred Worf as Chief of Security. Anyway, after TNG came DS9, and I watched that from the beginning and liked it, and then was hooked on Voyager (which I do think is my favorite out of those series), and finally, there's Enterprise. I really enjoyed that show, and I guess I'm in the minority for liking Archer and T'Pol. And how could you not like that cute little beagle? As someone else said about Archer, he was new to the exploration thing, and so no, he's not going to be polished, and know exactly what to do. Everything is a new experience and when things went wrong, yes, he needed to learn from those mistakes. That's life.

As to who knew their crew the best, well, to me, comparing Archer and his crew to Janeway and her crew is like comparing apples and oranges. The only reason Janeway got to know her crew as well as she did was because she had no choice. They were all stranded in another galaxy/quadrant and had to find a way back home. Archer and his crew on the other hand, were meant to be together for a long time from the beginning.

Also, Janeway wasn't the only one who took time for "lost sheep." Don't forget LaForge and Barclay (one of my favorite characters, btw). It was at Picard's insistence, yes, but Barclay was DEFINITELY a lost sheep. And once LaForge got past his own issues with Barclay, he was able to see things from Barclay's point of view and in some ways they really weren't so different (Barclay had issues relating to everyone, and LaForge had issues relating to women), and was eventually able to get Barclay to become a better officer, and Troi helped also, through counseling. So they worked together as a crew to help other crew members. Janeway's crew didn't have a counselor, and so that role fell to her when necessary.

Anyway, I enjoyed Enterprise while it lasted, and I was rather sad when it was eventually cancelled. So, if MacFarlane was able to acquire the rights to Star Trek, it would be a good thing. As others have said, perhaps the entire series could be brought back to normal. I stopped watching the series after Nemesis. Altering Roddenberry's timeline was the absolute worst thing that could have ever been done. As to the Picard show, I'd give it a chance if I could, but it doesn't air on Satellite, so...

@Satai Delenn said:

@autoexec.batman said:

@Satai Delenn said:

@Knixon said:

There will be places to download/watch it free. Just like for the first seasons.

Which I can't do from my T.V., and I will not watch T.V. on my computer. That is NOT what a computer is for! Also, I don't trust download sites!

You absolutely can watch Hulu on your TV you can get a perfectly good smart TV for under $200....... Frankly I can't see why anyone with any sense would want to have cable why pay $150 a month for about two channels 95% of what you never watch when you could get all the TV you ever want every show you want to see for $12 a month? it makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever why you buddy would still have cable in 2020

Maybe you can, and good for you, but no, I can't. It doesn't work that way. I can watch T.V. on my T.V., but I cannot watch anything from the Internet. I can use my computer for the Internet, but that is not the way I want to watch T.V. I keep my T.V. running in the background while I play games on the Net or write, or whatever on my computer, so I don't want to have a TELEVISION program running on my computer that I can hear but can't see because I'm in another tab doing something else. When I have my T.V. on, I can just look up and see the screen when something catches my interest.

There are other options. If your current TV isn't capable of doing Netflix or Hulu etc on its own, and if you don't want - or can't afford - to get another TV that can, it would be less expensive to get a blu-ray player that is capable of Netflix/Hulu/etc, or something like an hdmi "stick" player that can.

@Satai Delenn said:

I grew up watching TOS, and so yes, when TNG was created, I was against it (I was also very young). It took me until season 2 came out for me to tune in and give it a chance, and I was hooked. Prior to the series ending, I was eventually able to watch the first season through reruns. Season 1 was OK, but I have to say I'm glad I came in at season 2. There were so many things about some of the main characters I hated in that first season (Troi, for one, whom was one of my favorite characters in Season two), and I wasn't a big fan of Tasha Yar. I much preferred Worf as Chief of Security. Anyway, after TNG came DS9, and I watched that from the beginning and liked it, and then was hooked on Voyager (which I do think is my favorite out of those series), and finally, there's Enterprise. I really enjoyed that show, and I guess I'm in the minority for liking Archer and T'Pol. And how could you not like that cute little beagle? As someone else said about Archer, he was new to the exploration thing, and so no, he's not going to be polished, and know exactly what to do. Everything is a new experience and when things went wrong, yes, he needed to learn from those mistakes. That's life.

As to who knew their crew the best, well, to me, comparing Archer and his crew to Janeway and her crew is like comparing apples and oranges. The only reason Janeway got to know her crew as well as she did was because she had no choice. They were all stranded in another galaxy/quadrant and had to find a way back home. Archer and his crew on the other hand, were meant to be together for a long time from the beginning.

Also, Janeway wasn't the only one who took time for "lost sheep." Don't forget LaForge and Barclay (one of my favorite characters, btw). It was at Picard's insistence, yes, but Barclay was DEFINITELY a lost sheep. And once LaForge got past his own issues with Barclay, he was able to see things from Barclay's point of view and in some ways they really weren't so different (Barclay had issues relating to everyone, and LaForge had issues relating to women), and was eventually able to get Barclay to become a better officer, and Troi helped also, through counseling. So they worked together as a crew to help other crew members. Janeway's crew didn't have a counselor, and so that role fell to her when necessary.

Anyway, I enjoyed Enterprise while it lasted, and I was rather sad when it was eventually cancelled. So, if MacFarlane was able to acquire the rights to Star Trek, it would be a good thing. As others have said, perhaps the entire series could be brought back to normal. I stopped watching the series after Nemesis. Altering Roddenberry's timeline was the absolute worst thing that could have ever been done. As to the Picard show, I'd give it a chance if I could, but it doesn't air on Satellite, so...

I think you're better off acting as if Discovery, Picard, and anything else those fools come out with, doesn't exist.

The "reboot" movies are awful travesties too.

@Knixon said:

@Satai Delenn said:

@autoexec.batman said:

@Satai Delenn said:

@Knixon said:

There will be places to download/watch it free. Just like for the first seasons.

Which I can't do from my T.V., and I will not watch T.V. on my computer. That is NOT what a computer is for! Also, I don't trust download sites!

You absolutely can watch Hulu on your TV you can get a perfectly good smart TV for under $200....... Frankly I can't see why anyone with any sense would want to have cable why pay $150 a month for about two channels 95% of what you never watch when you could get all the TV you ever want every show you want to see for $12 a month? it makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever why you buddy would still have cable in 2020

Maybe you can, and good for you, but no, I can't. It doesn't work that way. I can watch T.V. on my T.V., but I cannot watch anything from the Internet. I can use my computer for the Internet, but that is not the way I want to watch T.V. I keep my T.V. running in the background while I play games on the Net or write, or whatever on my computer, so I don't want to have a TELEVISION program running on my computer that I can hear but can't see because I'm in another tab doing something else. When I have my T.V. on, I can just look up and see the screen when something catches my interest.

There are other options. If your current TV isn't capable of doing Netflix or Hulu etc on its own, and if you don't want - or can't afford - to get another TV that can, it would be less expensive to get a blu-ray player that is capable of Netflix/Hulu/etc, or something like an hdmi "stick" player that can.

Huh? I'm not a tech person, so I really have no idea what you just said. I have a DVD blu-ray thing but it only plays DVDs. That's it. And I'm not paying extra for something like Netflix or Hulu or whatever when I already subscribe to Satellite. Let them bring it where it belongs, on a satellite channel. I pay enough money. I'm not paying more.